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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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the global radio alliance

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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welcome

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bespoke radio for

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messes yeah man how you doing

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how you doing as you can see i barely

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made it to the seat

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today is tuesday september 22nd 2020.

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266 days into the new year only 98 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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far and near this is fade to black for

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kjccr the game changer network and kg

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a the planet i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing all right the moment

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has arrived we made it

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tonight is show number

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seth breedlove can you believe it seth

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breedlove joins us he is going to

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announce his new film

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the mothman legacy tonight we're going

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to talk all about

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well obviously we're going to talk about

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mothman i'm going to talk about seth

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but other things too as well

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i'm really looking forward to this

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conversation i've been a big fan of

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seth's

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for uh many years very very talented

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researcher and filmmaker

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and then tomorrow night right here on

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this very program

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i mean does it get any bigger than that

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right what a week on the show

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man so here we go tomorrow night seth

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uh tonight seth tomorrow night greg

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and greg is going to be here to talk all

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singularity okay artificial intelligence

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brightest out there on this subject

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greg house is here really looking

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forward to that conversation thursday

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that you want to call in on thursday

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you're probably itching to call in

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i know you is i know you is what was the

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name of that frank zappa record

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that's a great record or was that just a

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wait a minute was that no you are what

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that was a frank zappa record right see

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this is when i turn it over to the fader

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knots because my mind my 56

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soon-to-be 57-year-old brain

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can't remember every single frank's app

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i remember the song i'll turn it over

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the fader not you guys let me know

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all right so there you go got lots to

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evening

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and uh we didn't get here to show number

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without all of you okay we have the

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best audience in all of talk radio

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uh that that's it there isn't a better

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audience and a better family than what

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we have right here it is amazing i want

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to thank you for all of that

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rita and i sit back every single day and

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giggle and laugh and think about you

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a family so thank you thank you for all

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of the support thank you for being here

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each night and

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for you and and don't think i don't

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take three hours out of your

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valuable time and spend it here with

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us each night that means the world

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okay all right we got to 1300 here's the

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that's the one where i'm drinking on the

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air that's that's the night i

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i i open up the skull vodka right

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that's the night oh man over at the

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i have two in in in you know the

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but show 2000 i'll drink with all of you

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on the air okay so what was it you are

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that is that the single

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or a song is this the single is that the

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with the big hole in the middle of it

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what you is by frank zappa follow me on

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j church radio start right there

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is a busy day on twitter wasn't it busy

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but there you go you can follow me on

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there if you've never visited

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f2b you've heard about the sandbox if

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f2b pops it up right there all right

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well thank you so much

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okay enough of that i'm not drinking on

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the air let's uh let's move on hashtag

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all right wow big day today

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nasa and the united states

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they stole it from star trek nasa

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in military power and defense and i just

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edward snowden as we all know the former

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intelligence secrets in 2013

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has agreed to forfeit more than 5

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million ducks that are quacking in his

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that he earned from his book and

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snowden published his book permanent

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the justice department in its lawsuit

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to claw back snowden's proceeds

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against him wow five

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million dollars in

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in alignment of astronomy and

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mathematics now check this out

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check this out you probably missed this

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in the news today

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but we have astronomy and we have

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mathematics

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and now scientists at m-i-t

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have discovered a pie earth

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not apple pie not peach pie not

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not coconut cream not chocolate cream

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a pie earth which is an earth-sized

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planet that orbits around

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3.14 days

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now they stopped right there they didn't

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say 3.1415 blah blah blah

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they didn't go that far could be but

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right now they're sticking with

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3.14 the researchers discovered signals

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of the planet and data taken back in

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with are you ready for this it's called

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speculoos

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capital e capital c capital u capital l

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capital o capital o s

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speculoos a network of ground-based

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telescopes the team confirmed that the

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signals

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were of a planet or reading its star

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that's right

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every 3.14 days

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there you go that's all the breaking

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news i got for you today

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let's get this show crack and happy

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birthday to today

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andrea pacelli today

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62. i remember this is going back a

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couple of decades

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a little longer 25 years 30 years but it

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was cool

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to say hey check out the new pacelli

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you got the new pacelli i i got it you

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got it

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today he's 62. incredible scott

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baio today is 60. we were watching uh

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binging on uh the five seasons of

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arrested development

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i think it was season four scott bale

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shows up as a lawyer named

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i forget scott baio today is 60. white

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snake front man

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the one and only david coverdale today

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is 71.

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debbie boone you light up my life

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today is 64. joan jett

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today is 62.

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and bullet boys front man mark taurean

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man i used to love the bullet boys

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still a great band marktorian today

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is 56 years old on this day in history

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1953

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the first four level freeway interchange

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in the world opens right here in los

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angeles

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that's right at the intersection of the

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harbor

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hollywood pasadena and santa ana

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freeways

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harbors the 110. hollywood's the 101.

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pasadena freeway back then

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was that was the extension off of the

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110

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coming out of pasadena it's still the

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110 and

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the santa ana freeways which is the five

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freeway

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but they were all stacked up four levels

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high first time

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ever in the world in 1953 fader fact

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still trips me out to drive on that

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thing too

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crazy fader fact

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i'm a foodie i you know i'm a foodie

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rita is a foodie and

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we have always over the years we have

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made sure that in our kitchen we have a

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little

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bottle of saffron we use it

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in our rice and things we cook with it

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always a little bottle that's expensive

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right

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you know it's a little bit of saffron in

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a little bottle right

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well check this out it takes

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approximately 75 000

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flowers which all need to be plucked by

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hand

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to produce one pound of saffron

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75 000 flowers one pound of saffron

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can cost eleven hundred

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dollars eleven hundred ducks quacking in

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the pond

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yep happy birthday chachi i knew that

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was coming from karen

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i knew i knew it i knew yeah

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bob bob blah blah blah

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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

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right what how how do you say it it's a

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funny part too great name

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thank you for that corey all right where

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am i at tonight very special guest

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seth breedlove joins us small town

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monsters he

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is here with us tonight and he is going

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to announce

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his new film and its release it's called

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the mothman

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legacy i have seen it it's incredible we

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will be talking about that tonight

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tomorrow night greg house is right here

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for a full evening of singularity and

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artificial intelligence

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thursday night of course is another

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fader night with open lines

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all night long now it's time for me to

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hit this

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look at that meow david coverdale

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i just watched and i didn't know it was

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david coverdale's birthday until today

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but last

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week i know i was driving rita crazy but

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i

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hundred thousand people

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crazy show uh steve vi

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1990 steve i rudy sarzo

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uh adrian vandenberg tommy aldridge

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i don't know who was on keyboards but

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they always have him behind a curtain

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off the side of the stage and david

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coverdale incredible

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incredible concert man those guys had a

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vibe that was good that was good stuff

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all right let me hit this river moon

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coffee gotta do it

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that's right breaking every single

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radio tradition drinking liquids

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all right

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tonight is show number 1300 and

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i remember uh

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a few times over the years giving advice

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to other show hosts and

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to podcasters that were starting out

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and and i know

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i know and and rita knows

419
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what it takes to do a show

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just one okay

421
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you start counting these numbers right

422
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now tonight we're at 1300. look when we

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got to 100 200 300 400 500 getting to

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something like a thousand it's it's

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it's years away we've been doing this

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show now for

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seven going on eight years

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it took us that long to get to 1300 so

429
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to get to 2000

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which seems to me from where i'm sitting

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that is five years away that's a long

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ways off

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but i have learned a few

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things one of them

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is and i'm gonna say this as kindly as i

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can to all of you show hosts out there

437
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and all of you podcasters and

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that want to aspire and go and get

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yourself a microphone and start doing

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your best show

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is your next one that's it

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00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:00,159
you learn you will never master

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00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:04,080
this there are no masters of radio

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00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:07,440
they don't exist to get to you know that

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magical number right 10 000 hours of

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practice and things

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that's a lot of hours that is a lot of

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years so

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00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:19,600
you log in 20 25 years 30 years

450
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,799
at this gig you're just scraping the

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bottom

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00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:26,080
of what a master is you're never going

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to do it

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00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:30,960
1300 shows i can only tell you that

455
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i know that tonight will be our best

456
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,600
show it's better than the show the night

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00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,559
before

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tomorrow it will be even better and you

459
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,120
just continue that way that's

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00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,760
it don't get to show number 10 and say

461
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to yourself i got this

462
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,200
because you don't that's the first thing

463
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that i've learned

464
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,000
the second thing is that um

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especially with this show and this goes

466
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,679
out to everybody

467
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,240
out there again uh that would like to do

468
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,559
this and i encourage that you do

469
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:05,760
but you have to

470
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,360
be yourself you see

471
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,200
the guy that's on this show the guy

472
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,279
that's speaking into this microphone the

473
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,120
guy that comes in here night off

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00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,320
is is me that's it

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00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,480
you come over to the house we meet

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00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:22,000
somewhere for dinner or

477
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,840
drinks or we get a chance to hang out

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00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:26,000
it's the same guy

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00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,159
conversation i'm gonna be this loud and

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and this overly self-assertive and

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00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:36,640
this self-centered in person it's who i

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am

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00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,400
so you have to learn that you don't want

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to be somebody else and everybody tries

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00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,480
to

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00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,200
no don't do that don't be a guitar

487
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:46,640
player like i used to be when i played

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guitar

489
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,039
i always wanted to be eddie van halen i

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ended up sounding like the guy

491
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:53,039
i messed up never found myself i didn't

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find myself two

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00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,919
years later and that was the mistake i

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made when i was 20 21-22

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lost sight of it didn't have anybody

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giving me advice

497
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so that's the second thing that i've

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learned the other thing that i've

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learned

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and the more that i know today

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00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,440
about the internet and and social media

502
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,799
and what is going on out there with

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control the one thing that i have

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realized

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00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:19,279
that i have been blessed with is that

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this

507
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,720
off the internet pulls me out of social

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media

509
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,630
for three hours i'm actually having

510
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,679
just a conversation with somebody when

511
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:39,760
was the last time you did that where you

512
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sat down

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and had a conversation with somebody for

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three hours

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00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,600
because you come away from that going

516
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:47,679
wow that was great wow you know and

517
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:51,919
and you feel well i do it every night

518
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,120
i have changed and

519
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,679
some of the issues that i see a lot of

520
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,760
the issues that i see in social media is

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00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:00,799
because

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00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:04,320
of the engagement that is happening 24

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00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:05,440
hours a day

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00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,720
with so many people constantly

525
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,520
fighting the man and the control that

526
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:13,279
the internet does to your brain

527
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,240
i don't have that right so i am able to

528
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,840
have this tunnel vision and look from

529
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:19,440
the outside in going hey we got

530
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,799
issues here and that's something else

531
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:26,000
that i i i know i can feel

532
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,679
that the last 1300 shows have given me

533
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,919
and i i am able to do that night after

534
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:33,120
night

535
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:38,480
this is point number four

536
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:42,559
the other thing that i have learned is

537
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,080
all i want to do all i want to do is

538
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,559
have a conversation

539
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,720
but i want to have a different

540
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:52,640
conversation each night

541
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,600
i want to have somebody come in and

542
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:56,640
inspire me

543
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,679
to cause my chemistry on my frontal

544
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,640
lobes to stir

545
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,559
and i want to be able to think and i

546
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,840
want to be able to engage in the

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00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,120
conversation

548
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,320
what i've learned is that is difficult

549
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:11,520
and rita and i we sit down and we

550
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,640
discuss

551
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,440
the shows moving out you know a week two

552
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,279
weeks three weeks four weeks in advance

553
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,559
and what we're going to do and how we're

554
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,679
going to mix it up

555
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,880
and how we're going to do this and who

556
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,880
is going to be interesting and and

557
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,600
and how to keep this moving forward we

558
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:26,960
have been able to do that

559
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,399
and not break uh

560
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,679
the the tradition

561
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:36,880
of not phoning it in we try

562
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:39,600
to make sure that every show is the best

563
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,640
that it can be

564
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,840
it's engaging and and that you're gonna

565
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:45,760
learn along with the rest of us and we

566
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,559
want to make it

567
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,080
that is something that we have been

568
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:49,600
dedicated to

569
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:53,760
from day one and the

570
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:57,039
that combined with and the other part

571
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:00,880
uh with uh point number four is this

572
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,559
there is a theater of the mind

573
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that radio creates right now i'm running

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video hello ever

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to everybody out there and that's about

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a third of our audience

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two-thirds of our audience still just

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listen to the audio

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it's theater of the mind and there is

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something

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engaging about talk radio late night

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where you need to stay engaged

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what we have to do by mixing it up with

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these guests and keeping it interesting

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is that you bring on guests that you

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don't necessarily agree with

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your mind's gonna wander you're not

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gonna stay engaged your attention is not

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you need to go wait a minute

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what did jimmy just say

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so thank you for that i am your host

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jimmy church

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this is fade to black i'll be right back

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with our guest on show number 1300

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seth breedlove seth breedlove is here to

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announce his new film

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the mothman legacy i'm just going to let

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everybody know i

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watched the entire film today start to

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it's really good we'll be talking about

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church

723
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great night tonight it is officially

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broadcast

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number 1300 it's a big night tonight we

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got a big guest

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00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,280
seth reid love joins us that's right

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tonight we're going to announce his new

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film

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the mothman legacy we're going to talk

731
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about all of that

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and and and some of his other research

733
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too which

734
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i've spent way too much time doing over

735
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the years

736
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,280
tomorrow night greg house joins us we

737
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will have an evening of artificial

738
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intelligence and singularity

739
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then of course thursday night is fader

740
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night with open lines all night long but

741
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tonight it's all about seth breedlove

742
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,920
that's right the mothman legacy

743
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,440
is the story of one of the most

744
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frightening american urban myths

745
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,760
the legend of the mothman and now we're

746
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going to get into

747
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all of this tonight seth is an

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ohio filmmaker he has written edited and

749
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produced directed

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shorts and features about a variety of

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topics

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00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,480
but is best known for his production

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company and the films they produce

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under the small town monsters banner

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before film breedlove wrote for a number

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of websites newspapers and

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magazines and learned some of the skills

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he employs as a director

759
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,640
while working as a reporter he has also

760
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appeared on numerous television and

761
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,599
radio programs tonight for the first

762
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time on fade to black and i would like

763
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,839
to welcome

764
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,920
to the show seth breedlove seth good

765
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,599
evening man how are you

766
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,359
hey i'm good thanks for having me no

767
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,079
thank you but you know what seth

768
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,280
it's your first time which means you get

769
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:32,000
the first time guest disclaimer

770
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,240
so are you ready i'm terrified yeah

771
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,119
oh man it's this seth it's just you and

772
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,640
i sitting on my couch having a

773
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conversation as friends and

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where the conversation starts it starts

775
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where it ends it ends

776
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but we're going to end his friends as

777
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,440
long as i don't have to sign anything

778
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,240
no i'm afraid you know there's some sort

779
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,680
of form i have to

780
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,760
have to fill out to be on we sent it to

781
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,960
your fax machine

782
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,040
you didn't get it are you out of paper

783
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:00,800
yeah we're waiting on the uh

784
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,310
now listen i'm gonna say a couple of

785
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:08,720
things out of the gate and

786
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,000
one of them is this uh

787
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,760
i went through and i mentioned this to

788
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:15,760
you briefly earlier but

789
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:20,640
i went through a seth period

790
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:23,920
i did man and and i

791
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:26,480
watched up to that point everything that

792
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:26,960
you

793
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,480
had done and thankfully

794
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:32,079
it was all there right and i was just

795
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,520
clicking through on the television and

796
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,480
just had the next up next up next up

797
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:39,680
and i have a confession to make

798
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:42,880
i stole most of your material okay

799
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:45,440
and and it's like that so when i talk

800
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about

801
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,440
the flatwoods monster or i'm a boggy cr

802
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,720
whatever it is

803
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,240
i sound like i know what i'm talking

804
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,200
about so i'm extending my thanks

805
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:58,320
to you now officially i feel better i

806
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,280
feel clean

807
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,280
okay yeah but i mean the thing about

808
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that is i

809
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,760
i we we both probably stand on the the

810
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:07,760
shoulders of giants right so

811
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,800
i i still quote unquote stole my stuff

812
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,520
from you know stanton friedman and and

813
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,720
you know all these other

814
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,320
researchers that kind of came before i

815
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:18,240
mean lauren coleman and all these guys

816
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,040
so

817
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,440
uh it's the the best thing about our

818
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:24,000
movies is i think they put

819
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,359
we're putting the stuff in such an

820
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,200
easily digestible format

821
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:29,680
so that's the it's it's like the cliffs

822
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,240
notes

823
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:33,119
versions of these these infamous sort of

824
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,160
cases so

825
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:36,240
yeah that's that's one of the highlights

826
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,440
of what i get to do is i

827
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:39,119
i talk to people and they they tell me

828
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,560
later that that

829
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,320
our film or whatever act as an

830
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,760
introduction

831
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,920
to to these stories and then they they

832
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,920
really dive into the you know the really

833
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:49,440
in-depth research that's already out

834
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,320
there but

835
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,920
that's awesome man thank you for that

836
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:54,320
well and there's there's another aspect

837
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:54,880
to this

838
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,480
and i think that in order to

839
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:01,520
to tell a story um

840
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:05,200
you need to you need to reach the widest

841
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,000
audience

842
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,119
and you have the ability uh

843
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,320
to to reach out to everybody because

844
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,680
there's something there right there's

845
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,359
something there for the family

846
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,599
for mom and dad for the serious

847
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,720
researcher

848
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,079
there's all of that for somebody who

849
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,760
wants to get a little bit scared you've

850
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,040
got that

851
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:25,280
you know and so there's that aspect of

852
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,240
it but that's not an

853
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:29,119
easy thing to do you've definitely honed

854
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,920
your skills

855
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,599
and then there's something else and then

856
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:33,359
we're going to talk more about you

857
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:36,560
but you have the ability seth uh to get

858
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,119
people

859
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,839
to open up you're going into some of

860
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:41,440
these towns

861
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,599
and you are uh you have the ability

862
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,920
to get before where in most cases people

863
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:49,440
don't like to uh

864
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,480
talk about this but yeah you have that

865
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,839
ability man

866
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:56,640
that's just the our approach has always

867
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:57,359
been more

868
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,800
toward um simply capturing

869
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:03,520
real people and their their their take

870
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:03,920
on

871
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,760
necessarily out to prove the existence

872
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,520
of something like bigfoot or ufos or

873
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:14,960
whatever we're we're really just trying

874
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:15,359
to

875
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,319
in the case of you know just locals and

876
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,359
people from

877
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:23,119
from communities who have an opinion on

878
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:24,400
this stuff we're just trying to capture

879
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:25,119
their opinion

880
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,480
and i think like people i worked in

881
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,839
newspapers for

882
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,119
for eight years doing freelance

883
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,880
reporting and that's like one of those

884
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,480
things you kind of pick up when you're

885
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,040
doing that sort of writing for a while

886
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,599
um i hesitate to call it journal i think

887
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:41,520
in my bio it mentions like journalism

888
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,000
it's not

889
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,599
journalism i mean i did the smallest

890
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,599
small town reporting you can imagine

891
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,359
right um but you but you definitely pick

892
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:48,960
up those those

893
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,240
uh i guess like people skills and um

894
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,079
and so i bring that you know i guess i

895
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,599
bring that over with me to

896
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,880
to small town monsters and i think

897
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:59,119
that's how we managed to to get people

898
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,400
to open up about their

899
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:02,720
experiences and you know their sightings

900
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,160
or or whatever it is and and that's a

901
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,000
we sort of founded this whole thing

902
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,680
small town monsters was founded

903
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,000
on that you know the fact that we were

904
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,079
going to allow people to

905
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,920
to talk about their experiences and

906
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,960
that's what's so interesting about

907
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,400
making a project like

908
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,000
the bellwich that we're working on now

909
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,319
because there are no you know it's it's

910
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,040
it's a story about uh a case that

911
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,880
happened 200 years ago so we don't have

912
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,400
those witnesses to talk to

913
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,240
but you can still bring that element of

914
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,760
truth telling to it

915
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,680
and and that's sort of what we've been

916
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,200
attempting to do for

917
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,160
five years now i can't say who what or

918
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,000
where

919
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:42,880
but i'll tell you off of the air but

920
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:45,760
i've seen the bell witch's skull

921
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,839
nice yeah man i'll send you pictures

922
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:52,560
okay okay all right it's nuts man it's

923
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,280
nuts

924
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,599
um i can't believe i just said that on

925
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,880
the air it was

926
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,560
okay man i'm gonna get myself in trouble

927
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:00,640
but i have um

928
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,240
okay now growing up let's actually

929
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,480
uh uh turn this back before we move

930
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,000
forward and i want to talk about

931
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,800
flatwoods before we get to mothman

932
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,520
um but uh growing up were you always

933
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,839
into this did you have a ufo sighting

934
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,960
did your mom

935
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,680
uh have a ouija board and freak you out

936
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,720
you know

937
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,920
what what got you into this no it's it's

938
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,280
so boring like this

939
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,880
this is what i've been saying for like

940
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:29,280
five years i have got to concoct some

941
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,160
sort of tale

942
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:32,160
about like being abducted as a child or

943
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:33,599
something because i've got

944
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,560
i've really got nothing um i i didn't

945
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:38,640
get into this stuff until later

946
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,520
in life i was in my early 20s and and i

947
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:43,520
was working a very boring sort of menial

948
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:44,560
desk job

949
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,839
and the it was podcasts

950
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,280
honestly it was like listening to stuff

951
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:50,880
like what what you do

952
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,920
and and this is the this is what got me

953
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,599
into it i had nothing else to do

954
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,200
and i started listening to shows like

955
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,960
this and this

956
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,520
is what opened the door for me and sort

957
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,280
of piqued my curiosity

958
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,319
in these topics and then you know

959
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,839
obviously once you

960
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,599
once you open that door there's no going

961
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,680
back and you just kind of find yourself

962
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,960
going further and further down the

963
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,960
rabbit hole and that's where i am now

964
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:15,599
you know i mean

965
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:18,720
this started about 12 years ago um and

966
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,760
i've now been to

967
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,640
you know however many probably 30 states

968
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,079
across the u.s and

969
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:26,400
and however many sighting locations

970
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,200
we've interviewed

971
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,400
close to 150 people um

972
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:33,040
it's just a sort of endless parade of

973
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,240
weird and it and it

974
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,280
doesn't stem from any experience that i

975
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,880
had and i still have only had you know

976
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:40,400
one or two things happen to me

977
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,309
i'm gonna interrupt because that was my

978
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,800
next question have you ever had a

979
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,440
paranormal or supernatural experience or

980
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,280
a ufo sighting

981
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,839
and that's even to hear you say it's

982
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:57,839
only happened a couple of times

983
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,640
do you still approach this then with the

984
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,400
eyes of a skeptic

985
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:05,359
which i think is very healthy yeah i

986
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:06,000
mean i

987
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,200
definitely still come at it pretty

988
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,839
skeptically and and um

989
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,880
i so i've experienced two things um one

990
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,440
of them

991
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:16,319
is is is sort of a spook light story and

992
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,440
the other

993
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:20,000
um i don't i hesitate to call it

994
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,520
paranormal or

995
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,000
or supernatural because it was related

996
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:25,359
to bigfoot and i personally don't

997
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,720
believe bigfoot is paranormal or

998
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:28,000
supernatural i think it's some sort of

999
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,200
natural animal

1000
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:32,480
um but we we experienced

1001
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,599
rock throws and screams uh in the in the

1002
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,119
watchtower mountains

1003
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:39,680
in southeastern oklahoma about two years

1004
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:40,240
ago

1005
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,720
the evening

1006
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,400
actually about two two o'clock in the

1007
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:47,920
morning um

1008
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,960
something through rocks uh at a at a

1009
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,400
nearby

1010
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,880
shed right right where we were camping

1011
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:55,839
um

1012
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,400
and then started whooping and laughing

1013
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,760
uh in the middle of the night and we

1014
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,640
were we were

1015
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:03,359
far away from human civilizations i

1016
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,160
don't necessarily

1017
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,119
believe it was a person uh that was

1018
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,119
doing that so i've experienced that

1019
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,359
and then uh you know i saw a strange

1020
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,960
light in the woods near

1021
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,560
near where i actually grew up while i

1022
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:16,640
was with my dad one night a couple years

1023
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,440
ago

1024
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,599
and that's about it like neither nothing

1025
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,920
crazy um so like i said i really need to

1026
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,000
come up with some sort of insane story

1027
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,440
at some point well what is it the rocks

1028
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,760
hitting the shed at 2 a.m

1029
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,359
that'll scare the crap out of you that

1030
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,880
that's actually pretty cool i've never

1031
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,000
experienced that

1032
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,040
and yeah i would like to but a strange

1033
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,400
light in the woods

1034
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,240
now that is something else all together

1035
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:41,839
what happened

1036
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,119
we were we were actually out on a uh

1037
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,880
like what we called a bigfoot hike but

1038
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,640
it was really just an excuse for my dad

1039
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:50,079
and i to kind of walk around the woods

1040
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:50,960
together

1041
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,079
and uh we were we were in an area

1042
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,960
called the zor wetlands which is it's

1043
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,480
just a massive

1044
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,040
sort of protected area right outside of

1045
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,040
bolivar ohio which is where i grew up

1046
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,359
uh it's actually we filmed a really

1047
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:06,560
really uh

1048
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:09,520
important scene for our momo film down

1049
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:10,560
there a big like

1050
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,680
late night sequence um same place where

1051
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,119
we filmed this but my dad and i were

1052
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:16,560
down there and it was late at night

1053
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,240
we were walking around and um i saw

1054
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,319
there's a there's a large they call it a

1055
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:23,760
lake but it's more of a pond

1056
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,920
and i saw light and amber light

1057
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,880
sort of glinting off the water and uh i

1058
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,839
looked

1059
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:34,640
what would be sort of southwest across

1060
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,280
this

1061
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,880
lake and then beyond that and there's

1062
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:39,040
this big valley and you can kind of see

1063
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,319
you know pretty far you're seeing about

1064
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:42,400
a half mile and across the valley you

1065
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:43,440
can see a

1066
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:46,720
tree line and i saw this

1067
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,800
massive sort of glowing amber light

1068
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,760
rise up out of the the trees across the

1069
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,119
across the valley

1070
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,880
my instant reaction was to think that i

1071
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,319
was seeing the moon

1072
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,560
um you know like the the moon starting

1073
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,839
to rise above the

1074
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,920
the tree line but i looked uh looked

1075
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,960
above me and that

1076
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,800
the moon was already pretty clearly

1077
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:08,960
visible um

1078
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,240
to to the in the other direction and

1079
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,119
higher up in the sky as well um so i

1080
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,800
kept watching this and it was so

1081
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,720
slow it came up out of these trees it's

1082
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,480
such a slow

1083
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:23,040
out i mean it was just moving so slowly

1084
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,559
really kind of creepy

1085
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,680
pokes up you know pointing out to my dad

1086
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,280
my dad watches it we watch it

1087
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,359
it sits in the sky and this this thing

1088
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,640
by the way was was

1089
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,800
massive uh i said a spook light but i

1090
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:36,160
mean whatever this was was actually

1091
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,640
fairly

1092
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,400
large because we were seeing it probably

1093
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,079
a quarter mile away

1094
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,400
uh maybe even a half mile and it was

1095
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,680
could you see the moon

1096
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,599
at the same time in other words you knew

1097
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,880
it wasn't the moon

1098
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:49,040
no we knew yeah 100 we knew it was the

1099
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:50,079
moon because that was sort of the first

1100
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,200
thing i was looking for

1101
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,720
so we're watching this object it sits in

1102
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:54,400
the sky for maybe like 40 seconds and

1103
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,720
then

1104
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,720
really slowly just hovers back down into

1105
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,800
the woods so it sat above

1106
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,480
sat above this tree line and then just

1107
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,079
really slowly went back down and

1108
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,680
and probably the weirdest thing about it

1109
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:06,000
to me is that the area where this

1110
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,599
happened where i was seeing the light

1111
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,440
come up um

1112
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,680
is an area where a lot of weird stuff

1113
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,559
has happened

1114
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,960
um in fact in our on the trail of

1115
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:15,920
bigfoot

1116
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:19,040
uh film we we detailed some strange

1117
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,760
uh animal mutilations and and bigfoot

1118
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,119
sightings that happened

1119
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,200
outside of bolivar back in the 70s and

1120
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,559
those would have taken place in the

1121
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:28,480
exact same areas where we saw this light

1122
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,119
come up

1123
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,960
out of the woods now here you are you're

1124
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,240
a filmmaker

1125
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,640
and you have a sighting like this and

1126
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,160
now you're going to tell me

1127
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,760
you didn't film it no and and honestly

1128
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:41,359
now that i'm telling the story i can't

1129
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:42,480
remember if that happened

1130
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,559
in 2013 or 2014 but either way

1131
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:49,119
i don't believe that i would have even

1132
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,319
owned a camera

1133
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,359
cell phone yeah well that i had

1134
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:56,240
yeah wow that that that's pretty cool

1135
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,800
well

1136
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,960
if you think it's that big right where

1137
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,319
you could mistake it for the moon and

1138
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:02,079
you turn around and you see the moon and

1139
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,640
now

1140
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:05,119
you can scratch that off of the list

1141
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,920
you're seeing

1142
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,400
something that you can't explain and

1143
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,160
right that's something i wish uh

1144
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,200
i was there for but your dad was

1145
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,319
what did your dad think he was seeing um

1146
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,400
you know i it's funny my dad just kind

1147
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,520
of wrote it off

1148
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,400
uh i i don't think he thought uh twice

1149
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,160
about it and i've mentioned to him

1150
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,960
i've mentioned it to him at least once

1151
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,720
or twice and he and he kind of acts like

1152
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,000
he doesn't remember it

1153
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:32,559
um you know which my dad is in his in

1154
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,200
his mid

1155
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,240
mid 70s and his memory is kind of spotty

1156
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,599
which mine is as well

1157
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,160
but yeah whenever i bring it up he he

1158
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,839
acts as if he does not remember

1159
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,640
the the incident so funny i don't i

1160
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,440
don't know if he's just

1161
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,559
sort of ignoring it or if uh

1162
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,559
you know if it's something that that he

1163
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,079
genuinely can't recall

1164
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,960
now you guys were both abducted and it

1165
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,800
was a missing time

1166
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,960
see you got to look at it that way now i

1167
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,839
have my story

1168
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,839
yeah now you have your story you need to

1169
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:03,680
do some regression therapy

1170
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,040
and see what happens you've seen uh

1171
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,079
people of earth right okay there you go

1172
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:12,319
you can get into a group

1173
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:15,440
hi my name is seth right we actually

1174
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,319
interviewed

1175
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,400
um a guy named mike stevens in new

1176
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:20,960
hampshire who were on sort of a uh

1177
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,640
a uh an experiencer

1178
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,680
help group like a communal sort of uh

1179
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,119
self-help group for

1180
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,839
for experiencers in new hampshire um in

1181
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,480
our in our

1182
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,079
we interviewed him for on the trail of

1183
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,920
ufos now

1184
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:38,400
let's uh i wanted to talk about the

1185
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,440
flatwoods

1186
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:42,000
uh film that you put together and

1187
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:42,800
there's

1188
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,000
it is in a lot of ways if you get into

1189
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,000
small-town monsters

1190
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,559
your flatwoods production is

1191
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,400
all-encompassing of what small-town

1192
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:54,319
monsters is about right yeah

1193
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:57,920
yeah for sure and uh for you to go

1194
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,280
up and get uh the families together

1195
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,920
and my memory was like you were walking

1196
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,040
from house to house

1197
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,160
practically right it was pretty bizarre

1198
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,960
uh but you how was it that you were able

1199
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:12,400
to because this was

1200
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:15,520
a an older case um yeah how were you

1201
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,319
able to

1202
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:19,520
find so many uh uh people from the

1203
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,319
families that

1204
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,319
that went through this well the coolest

1205
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,839
thing about this is i hadn't

1206
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,839
rewatched this movie in a very long time

1207
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,920
and we just happened to be in flatwoods

1208
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,960
last weekend so

1209
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,440
so i had actually we did a screening of

1210
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,119
the movie at the elk theater in in

1211
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,720
sutton west virginia right next door to

1212
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:36,240
the flatwoods monster museum so i

1213
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,119
actually

1214
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,520
this is like a film that i just had a

1215
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,359
refresher course on so

1216
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,480
um yeah we we were the so we were the

1217
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,000
first person to interview

1218
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:47,760
ed may who was one of the original

1219
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,559
witnesses we were the first group he had

1220
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:52,160
ever spoken to in the last group and

1221
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,599
were the last

1222
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:56,319
uh documentary to get to interview fred

1223
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:56,880
um

1224
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,640
they're they're as far as we know

1225
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,480
there's one other one other

1226
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,480
living witness named ronnie shaver we're

1227
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:08,079
not actually even positive he's still

1228
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,640
around

1229
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,920
but he's one of the ones who kind of has

1230
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:11,040
fallen off the grid and they don't know

1231
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,920
where he is

1232
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,920
so ed and fred are the two living

1233
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,520
witnesses and we were able to interview

1234
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:17,520
them and sort of get this story down

1235
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:20,720
you know directly from them um

1236
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,599
and it it's such an important piece of

1237
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,640
not just like

1238
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:27,200
ufo lore or whatever but but west

1239
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:28,640
virginia history

1240
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,000
um you know it takes place in 1952 it's

1241
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,880
it involves not just as a strange

1242
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,400
creature sighting but

1243
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,200
you know a ufo flap that happened across

1244
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,480
the state that involved

1245
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,640
two at least two objects being seen

1246
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:43,839
crashing

1247
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,359
um you know one in one in uh basically

1248
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,040
the flatwoods monster incident which is

1249
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,880
this this object streaks across the sky

1250
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,079
and lands on this hill

1251
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:54,000
these kids go up the hill and encounter

1252
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,200
some sort of monster but there was

1253
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,880
another object that streaked across the

1254
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,640
sky that was seen crashing

1255
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,359
near sutton uh and the elk river so

1256
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,720
there was there was actually

1257
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,960
potentially two down to objects that

1258
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:06,240
came down that night

1259
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,000
but um yeah that was a really intense

1260
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,240
shoot and it was intended originally to

1261
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,520
be a short film

1262
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,760
that we were going to release on youtube

1263
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,760
and as soon as we ended up getting

1264
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,680
you know the the two living witnesses

1265
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:21,520
involved in the story we sort of went

1266
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,839
all

1267
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:24,480
in on on making it as detailed as we

1268
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,280
could

1269
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,359
um while still maintaining a short film

1270
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,119
format which is what we were going for

1271
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,720
so we so we ended up with these

1272
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,319
these interviews that were great i think

1273
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,839
we had a lot of information in there

1274
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:35,119
that

1275
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,480
it might have been out there but people

1276
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,400
hadn't really connected some of the dots

1277
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,680
on it um so we were able to do that and

1278
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,640
um

1279
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,160
you know there were those witnesses yeah

1280
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:46,000
that's right because there were a couple

1281
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,280
of moments in the film and

1282
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,079
you don't uh you don't get this with

1283
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,400
other research and other documentaries

1284
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,079
uh that are out there especially with

1285
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,440
this case where you've got

1286
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,280
the original well we were walking up the

1287
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,599
hill we were just kids and we came up

1288
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,119
you're like man this is this is a

1289
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,200
first-hand account right you're not

1290
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,640
you're not getting second third i heard

1291
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,960
from right i heard from bob and i heard

1292
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,559
from phil when we were kids that this is

1293
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:12,559
what they did that's not the case here

1294
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,760
and you're on location yeah and the most

1295
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,119
important thing about it to me

1296
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,200
is we were able to take what is sort of

1297
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,880
known as as the

1298
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,040
the legend version of that story right

1299
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,960
like the kids go up the hill their dog

1300
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,040
dies there's this mist that attacks them

1301
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,720
there's a ufo sitting on the

1302
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:31,200
none of that's true like the kids went

1303
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,079
up the hill

1304
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:34,240
they encountered some sort of of

1305
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,280
creature or

1306
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:37,599
mechanical object as what they said on

1307
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,480
top of the hill

1308
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:40,880
but the dog lived they don't recall any

1309
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,760
of the mist

1310
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:44,400
and they don't recall a ufo um it's

1311
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,280
seeing it

1312
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,359
now there's elements to that that might

1313
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,400
have been true

1314
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,440
which have been sort of uh over the

1315
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,400
years have been

1316
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,440
you know maybe i don't even exaggerated

1317
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,280
to such an extent that the story became

1318
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,280
what we know today but we were able to

1319
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,680
to let the witnesses tell the story in

1320
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,599
their own words and what i think they

1321
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,359
end up sort of indicating to the

1322
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,040
audience is

1323
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,400
just despite this sort of mythical

1324
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,079
version of the story that exists there's

1325
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,319
a very believable

1326
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,000
rational um while still being

1327
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:21,040
somewhat fantastical real event that

1328
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,839
happened

1329
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,400
and these two guys even towards the end

1330
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,920
of their lives

1331
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,640
insist that this is what happened and

1332
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,400
they have nothing to gain by coming

1333
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,599
forward with

1334
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,280
with their account of the flatwoods

1335
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,640
monster incident so

1336
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:37,040
just in re-watching it last weekend that

1337
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:38,480
was kind of what struck me is

1338
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,680
is the emotion of of these two guys that

1339
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,200
that have sort of held onto the story

1340
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,359
their entire lives and

1341
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,079
now um you know both of them are kind of

1342
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,680
in bad health they've both been battling

1343
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:51,040
cancer for years

1344
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,880
um they're able to to relay this story

1345
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,400
um in their own words probably for the

1346
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,319
first time i know fred had been on

1347
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,160
other documentaries but i had never seen

1348
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:01,440
anything where

1349
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:04,480
they were able to tell this version of

1350
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,280
the event

1351
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,200
and and i think that was probably my

1352
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,880
biggest takeaway in re-watching it

1353
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,480
yeah because they're able you know

1354
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,920
here's our house

1355
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,599
right you know what i mean they're right

1356
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:15,200
there they're on location i wanted to

1357
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,319
ask you

1358
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,720
this really quick uh not to be

1359
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,640
sensational or anything like that but

1360
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,160
did you see

1361
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,799
uh the project blue book history channel

1362
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:25,599
version

1363
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,200
of the flatwoods monster yeah

1364
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,359
yeah i did okay you can tell me did you

1365
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:32,960
roll your eyes i was a little

1366
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,799
i was i was a little bit upset uh

1367
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:39,440
with the uh the artistic freedom that

1368
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,079
they took

1369
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,400
in that uh what did you what did you

1370
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,680
take away from it

1371
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,520
yeah i just i think that was one of

1372
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,520
those those stories

1373
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,119
uh where i couldn't figure out why they

1374
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,839
didn't just simply retell it

1375
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:54,000
uh as it happened or or at least you

1376
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:55,119
know that

1377
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,720
they changed the details to such an

1378
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,160
extent i think it was like a boy

1379
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,920
a little boy and a little girl and their

1380
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,359
mom and and so they took

1381
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,119
elements of the original flatwoods case

1382
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:04,480
they call it the flatwoods monster case

1383
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,599
and then they kind of do something

1384
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:07,200
completely different with it

1385
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,480
um and and the the i

1386
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,400
it ends up being like an owl sitting on

1387
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:13,920
a charred tree right

1388
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,119
right it's that entire idea that that's

1389
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,640
what they saw that night is so

1390
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,119
nonsensical once you actually hear them

1391
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,119
relate once you hear ed and fred in

1392
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,880
their own words relate what happened to

1393
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,359
them

1394
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,920
you know they didn't they did not see an

1395
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,760
owl sitting on a tree they saw some sort

1396
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,200
of mechanical object

1397
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:33,359
they could see the the the moon like

1398
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,480
glinting off of

1399
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,520
the the you know the object and and the

1400
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,960
metallic sort of

1401
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,880
surface of the object and the things

1402
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,640
that they recall

1403
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,799
sort of defy this idea that that what

1404
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,200
they encountered that night was a

1405
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,440
was an owl on a tree no we just have a

1406
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:51,119
couple minutes before the break so

1407
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before we get there

1408
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,000
um one last question do you have

1409
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,960
uh a favorite case not necessarily a

1410
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,480
favorite episode because there may be

1411
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:02,880
something you haven't covered yet

1412
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,470
um yeah

1413
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,240
definitely i mean i think it's still

1414
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,079
bigfoot like i think it

1415
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,720
i i think it it just comes back to

1416
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,000
bigfoot always

1417
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:20,880
um i don't know why that is other than

1418
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:21,760
the fact that it's

1419
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,599
it's the most um believable for me but

1420
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,599
i mean if i could if i could put

1421
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,280
flatwoods monster in that

1422
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:32,000
category i would say you know maybe

1423
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:33,599
maybe flatwoods monster but i

1424
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,040
i i i always come back to bigfoot always

1425
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:40,079
i uh and and you do so much with the

1426
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,520
john keel of course we'll

1427
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:44,319
we'll come back to that but one thing

1428
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:45,040
that

1429
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,640
john keel because i have i've been on

1430
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:50,000
the wrong side of the fence

1431
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,520
when it comes to bigfoot i need

1432
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:54,160
convincing and i've had every researcher

1433
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,720
i'd have

1434
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,799
everybody on the show and i usually

1435
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,160
started off with look man

1436
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:01,200
you need to sell me on this right but

1437
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:01,760
then

1438
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,839
i saw footprints right

1439
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:08,160
and it's on film by the way i'll i'll

1440
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,000
send it to you but it was a pretty

1441
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:12,559
incredible moment it didn't push me over

1442
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,599
the edge

1443
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,440
but it's pretty freaky when you see

1444
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:17,520
something like this you know so deep and

1445
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,000
hard

1446
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,960
uh soil that being said going back to

1447
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,480
john keel

1448
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:25,200
i'm feeling that you just said you just

1449
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:25,920
think it's

1450
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:28,720
uh bigfoot is real but it's it's an

1451
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:29,359
animal

1452
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:33,520
right okay that that's fine i'm thinking

1453
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,640
more on the inter-dimensional side which

1454
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:39,200
is what john keel has suggested not with

1455
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,160
bigfoot but just

1456
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:43,200
in uh et in general um

1457
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,680
in that we haven't got a carcass right

1458
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:46,799
we don't have

1459
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,160
that you would think at some point

1460
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:54,400
bigfoot would have been hit by a car by

1461
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:55,119
now

1462
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,160
so maybe i'm thinking i'm leaning on the

1463
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,480
interdimensional side what do you think

1464
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:03,839
about john keele's take on all of this

1465
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,319
well i i think keel keel had such an

1466
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:07,680
interesting outlook on it too

1467
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,480
because i mean his his ultra-terrestrial

1468
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:11,520
idea was

1469
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,880
was not even necessarily

1470
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:14,480
interdimensional and and that's

1471
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:15,839
something that i learned when we were

1472
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making the mothman legacy it was this

1473
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,559
idea that

1474
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,319
that it could be it could be something

1475
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:22,319
else it could be on a different spectrum

1476
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,880
from us

1477
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,640
or you know like there's there's so many

1478
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,400
directions you can take that idea

1479
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,359
but there are the the you can't overlook

1480
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,760
this strange sort of like paranormal

1481
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,599
bigfoot accounts there's there's

1482
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,119
numerous like we've made

1483
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,160
multiple movies and documentaries that

1484
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,480
end up focusing on cases that that

1485
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:42,720
involve you know either ufos or strange

1486
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,520
lights in the woods

1487
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,280
and bigfoot you know sort of seen

1488
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:46,880
together right um

1489
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:50,000
all i can really do is tell you that

1490
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:50,480
what

1491
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,640
sort of leads me

1492
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:57,119
and it's always led me in the direction

1493
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,400
of undiscovered ape

1494
01:01:01,589 --> 01:01:00,079
and what i experienced in the woods

1495
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:01,599
seemed to be you know more of a flesh

1496
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,640
and blood animal than

1497
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:04,319
than an interdimensional being but i

1498
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,760
don't i don't just

1499
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:08,240
write off all the the quote-unquote

1500
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,359
weird bigfoot

1501
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,599
cases either there's too many of them

1502
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:13,520
that just write it all off as kooks and

1503
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,480
and crazies so there's something i mean

1504
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:17,599
there's something

1505
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,119
to that you know like whether you're

1506
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:20,799
dealing with two

1507
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:23,119
varying phenomena that sort of like

1508
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:24,400
mirror each other

1509
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,520
or or or if there's just

1510
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,359
you know if the abilities of something

1511
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,359
like a bigfoot are so

1512
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:34,000
astronomical that it it almost seems

1513
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,119
supernatural it's

1514
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,240
it's hard to tell but um yeah

1515
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:40,000
kiel's research into bigfoot's so

1516
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:41,359
interesting too because he looked into

1517
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,880
cases in new york state

1518
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,400
and that's one of the places where i

1519
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:46,160
find myself being pulled back to a lot

1520
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,520
and i think we've

1521
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,079
we've trod the same ground as keel quite

1522
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:52,079
a quite a bit when it comes to bigfoot

1523
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:54,160
up in that area let's take our break

1524
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,839
right here seth stay right there it's

1525
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going to be a great

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night our 1300th show pretty cool

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when we come back we're going to talk

1529
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about the release of his new film

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the mothman legacy i'm your host timmy

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talking about the release of his new

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what uh october

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1678
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,679
smalltownmonsters.com

1679
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:19,920
is where you can get pre-orders if

1680
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,799
you're interested in

1681
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,960
physical media like dvds and blu-rays

1682
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,080
and stuff like that

1683
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,279
um for for the rest of that uh we're

1684
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,440
releasing through 1091 pictures

1685
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:32,000
so the the movie will be available on

1686
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:32,719
most

1687
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,759
uh major vod streaming

1688
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,920
channels so so all your itunes and

1689
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:39,359
amazon and all that kind of stuff and

1690
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,480
you can you can

1691
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,719
find all those links uh pretty much as

1692
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,040
soon as the movie goes live on the 20th

1693
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:46,799
and i think they're working on some sort

1694
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,239
of pre-order thing but but

1695
01:08:53,470 --> 01:08:50,960
nothing's set yet so just stay tuned

1696
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:53,480
okay so everything will be updated at

1697
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:56,239
smalltownmonsters.com yeah for sure okay

1698
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,040
right on

1699
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:59,440
uh very excited about this now i've seen

1700
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,239
the film

1701
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,960
and i want to get into that in a second

1702
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,960
this next question you probably have

1703
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,159
never gotten before

1704
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:09,279
so before i get to zach and jason and

1705
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:09,920
adrian

1706
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:12,560
right mark and before we get to them

1707
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:13,279
yeah

1708
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:16,719
who's your narrator um

1709
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:20,080
it it so the main narrative the main

1710
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:21,920
narrator has been lyle i think lyle's

1711
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:22,400
done more

1712
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:26,640
projects than probably anyone else

1713
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,600
um and he's done man at this point it's

1714
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,440
got to be like five or six titles

1715
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,520
so he did and he's the one that did the

1716
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:36,000
mothman legacy lyle obviously is

1717
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,159
is a pretty well known uh author and

1718
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:39,600
investigator and he's

1719
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,400
he's done uh the i'd say the definitive

1720
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,400
work on the boggy creek monster

1721
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,960
uh the falc monster with his beast of

1722
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,719
boggy creek book he did a really great

1723
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,319
book about the lizard man

1724
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:53,279
um and he was seen back in the day on uh

1725
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,960
monsters and mysteries in america that

1726
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,640
used to be on destination america i have

1727
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,560
no idea what that network is called now

1728
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,640
right and this is the thing and

1729
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:03,040
especially with the film like mothman

1730
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,320
is lyle the fifth beatle

1731
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:09,120
i i think he's probably like in the

1732
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:09,440
three

1733
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,679
i mean he is the best and i i wanted to

1734
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,360
give credit where credit is due

1735
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,920
out of the gate um and who is the rest

1736
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:21,360
of your team

1737
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,719
yeah i mean it's it's um i i

1738
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,640
i'll start with my wife who's my

1739
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:27,920
producing partner and she's been

1740
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,640
producing

1741
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,760
uh since uh i mean the thing about

1742
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,360
adrian is she's been behind the scenes

1743
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:35,120
all the way back to minerva but she

1744
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,880
started producing with

1745
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:38,719
um i believe it was the flatwoods

1746
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,920
monster was the first time she really

1747
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:41,840
stepped into a big producing role

1748
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:44,239
and at this point she's she's the person

1749
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:45,920
who's keeping us afloat i mean she's

1750
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:47,679
literally responsible for

1751
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:49,280
the fact that we haven't gone bankrupt

1752
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,400
and gone on gone under which is

1753
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,560
her yeah as a as a producer she she

1754
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,080
keeps us alive so

1755
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:59,280
uh adrian uh is is my producing partner

1756
01:11:02,870 --> 01:10:59,840
and then

1757
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,880
zach and jason uh zack palmisoni who is

1758
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:04,719
typically my director of photography

1759
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:06,080
especially on the films

1760
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,760
it gets a little different with on the

1761
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,840
trail of that series but

1762
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,920
um you know for the mothman legacy and

1763
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:13,920
momo and terror in the skies that's all

1764
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:16,560
zach palmisano's director of photography

1765
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,280
um

1766
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,880
jason eudis who i've been friends with

1767
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,800
since we were kids he's a production

1768
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,960
coordinator and sound

1769
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:25,440
uh sort of recordist but he does the

1770
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,000
thing about

1771
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,080
indie film is everyone does everything

1772
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,400
so i can give them these labels but it

1773
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:31,840
really doesn't mean anything i mean like

1774
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,560
zach was

1775
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,280
acting in in the bell witch and you know

1776
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:37,920
like everyone plays multiple roles

1777
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:41,040
um mark matzky who co-hosts my podcast

1778
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,000
with me and then

1779
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:44,400
helps do a lot of writing on the stm

1780
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:45,280
projects and

1781
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:49,199
and numerous jobs behind the scenes um

1782
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:52,159
and then that's sort of brandon de la

1783
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:53,840
does all the music and has been doing

1784
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:54,400
the music

1785
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:58,080
since since minerva and that's our

1786
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:59,920
i think that's our core group right

1787
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:01,840
there and and it grows like the

1788
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,360
the team continues to grow um each year

1789
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,880
we're launching a second season of on

1790
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:09,120
the trail of ufos later this year and

1791
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,800
we'll have andrew peterson as director

1792
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:12,880
of photography on that series so

1793
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,520
things things just keep expanding and uh

1794
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,520
but that core group it's sort of the

1795
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,760
you know there's the six of us that are

1796
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:21,199
pretty pretty much at the core of

1797
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:22,320
everything now

1798
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:26,320
uh out of the gate uh with mothman

1799
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:29,360
uh it is extremely

1800
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:32,960
cinematic right and there is a way and

1801
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,440
you know

1802
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:36,239
like going back to flatwoods and some of

1803
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:36,719
your

1804
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,080
uh older projects uh you had a look and

1805
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,320
feel that was very cool

1806
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:45,600
is down home the right word oh man i'd

1807
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:48,800
i'd love that right right okay yeah

1808
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:51,920
but but now uh

1809
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:55,840
mothman it's it's full on cinematic man

1810
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,199
is is that zack is that you uh

1811
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:01,440
brandon is very talented by the way the

1812
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,320
music uh

1813
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,880
complements everything but but who is

1814
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:06,880
responsible for the look and feel that

1815
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:09,360
starts out of the gate in mothman

1816
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,000
so i i definitely have to say zach is is

1817
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,600
probably responsible for the look of the

1818
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,560
documentary

1819
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,960
um that especially you know when we're

1820
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,719
talking b-roll

1821
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,480
and you know all that all the amazing

1822
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,159
location b-roll and the

1823
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,840
um the interviews the look of the

1824
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:25,280
interviews that's all zach

1825
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:27,199
when it comes to the recreations on this

1826
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:28,880
one i can take a little bit of the

1827
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:31,040
credit there simply because

1828
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:34,560
uh covid hit just when our

1829
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,840
recreations were going into filming

1830
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:40,080
so what ended up needing to happen was

1831
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:40,960
that the crew

1832
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,679
was basically just me so all the re all

1833
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,360
the recreations including the

1834
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:47,600
the opening and closing bookends with

1835
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:48,800
the young girl

1836
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,080
um all that stuff was shot by just me um

1837
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,400
with basically no crew so so the

1838
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:56,239
recreations are all me but as far as the

1839
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,800
dock

1840
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,880
and and the look of the movie which is

1841
01:14:01,189 --> 01:14:00,560
sort of what defines the look of this

1842
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,199
thing

1843
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:03,040
um that's that's definitely our director

1844
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,719
of photography and and

1845
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:07,199
he's shot with some really cool um

1846
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:08,239
soviet

1847
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:11,600
lenses

1848
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:14,320
um that are that that they they

1849
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,360
customized and

1850
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:17,199
and i think that that's what gives the

1851
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:20,239
movie probably it's it's very specific

1852
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:23,280
you know look but i mean again there's

1853
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,840
zach deserves all the all the credit in

1854
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:27,520
the world and at the same time west

1855
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,080
virginia

1856
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,920
is a gorgeous state you know people kind

1857
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,360
of forget about that

1858
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:33,120
uh you know and get lost in all the

1859
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,719
jokes about uh

1860
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:36,560
hillbillies and backwoods and all that

1861
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,920
you know deliverance country and all

1862
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,440
that kind of stuff but it's it's a

1863
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:41,040
it's a beautiful state it's probably my

1864
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:42,800
favorite state um

1865
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,880
and once you really get into it

1866
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,560
anywhere you look there's something

1867
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:49,920
really interesting to film

1868
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:53,120
and you can you can just capturing that

1869
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:56,400
is is the the most important part of it

1870
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,320
now there is uh there's probably

1871
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,960
uh an act one act two in act three when

1872
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:04,320
it comes to mothman

1873
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,520
historically speaking and uh which is

1874
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:09,280
actually presented in this film too as

1875
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,600
well

1876
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:11,840
i'm glad that you historically went

1877
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:13,520
through all of that

1878
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:16,159
but there are many in this audience

1879
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:17,520
right now that are

1880
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:21,199
of course have heard of mothman and

1881
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:24,320
they may identify with

1882
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,719
what mothman but they don't know the

1883
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:27,600
story

1884
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:30,719
let's do a little bit of mothman 101 and

1885
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:31,600
start at

1886
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,600
the beginning and and let's start there

1887
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,600
what is the mothman story and how did it

1888
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,760
start well yeah i mean i think if we're

1889
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:41,360
talking about a three-act structure i

1890
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,239
would say that

1891
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:45,520
that the the the most infamous the most

1892
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:46,239
famous

1893
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:48,719
part of the mothman story is the 1966

1894
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,280
and 67 part and that's your chapter one

1895
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,120
your your part two is actually going to

1896
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,640
be what's in this movie

1897
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,719
and then there's more that maybe we'll

1898
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,320
get to someday that that would actually

1899
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:00,320
comprise an act three

1900
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:04,400
um but but your act one is 1966 and 1967

1901
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:05,360
and and

1902
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,960
in in 1966 um

1903
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,520
there's a flurry of activity surrounding

1904
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:12,719
this tiny town in

1905
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,640
in west virginia right on the border

1906
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,480
with ohio sitting on the

1907
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:18,159
on the banks of the ohio river right

1908
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:19,600
near the confluence of the

1909
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,719
kanawha river and the ohio river and

1910
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,800
and in this tiny town of point pleasant

1911
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:26,560
uh people start seeing

1912
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:30,239
uh ufos and uh having run-ins with

1913
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,520
mysterious uh men in black which

1914
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,000
you know like that that in itself that

1915
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:38,320
part of the story could be its own movie

1916
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:41,120
uh or series of movies but on top of

1917
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:41,600
that

1918
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,880
um two couples uh the

1919
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,320
the scarberries and the mallets are

1920
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,080
driving one one

1921
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:50,800
evening out near an abandoned tnt

1922
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:52,640
manufacturing facility which talk about

1923
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:53,280
your

1924
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:55,040
amazing the most amazing setting for a

1925
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:56,560
horror movie you've ever seen is that

1926
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:57,520
place

1927
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:58,880
they're out there one night when they

1928
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:01,679
encounter uh a

1929
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:05,360
six to seven foot tall uh dark

1930
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:08,560
uh leathery skinned creature with

1931
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:11,520
wings and glowing red eyes um they take

1932
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,159
off in

1933
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,640
in their car after they see it and it

1934
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,480
chases their car at speeds up to 100

1935
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:18,080
miles an hour all the way back to point

1936
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:18,880
pleasant

1937
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,679
and that event uh kicks off a whole

1938
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:23,760
series of sightings that take place

1939
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,679
around uh point pleasant is

1940
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,760
what people traditionally think of when

1941
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:30,960
they think of the mothman but these

1942
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:32,080
sightings actually took

1943
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:34,239
took place all around the ohio valley

1944
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,840
and really all around appalachia in

1945
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:37,600
general like we we've tracked sightings

1946
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,480
all the way

1947
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,640
you know up into to the middle central

1948
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:42,000
west virginia

1949
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:44,800
and all the way as far as like hawking

1950
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:45,760
ohio so

1951
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:48,320
so there's sightings in in probably a

1952
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,520
200 mile

1953
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,280
radius you know around point pleasant

1954
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:53,520
but but it all seems to be centered

1955
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,560
around that town of point pleasant and

1956
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,560
these sightings take place for for the

1957
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:00,159
better part of a year

1958
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:02,960
um 13 months would actually be the the

1959
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,679
correct

1960
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,280
you know sort of timeline if you're

1961
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:06,800
really looking at it they

1962
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:09,040
they include sightings of this strange

1963
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,719
mothman creature the men in black

1964
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:12,560
encounters the ufos all that kind of

1965
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:13,600
stuff there's there's

1966
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:18,560
even a run-in on 77 on route 77

1967
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:21,920
um with a with a chimney

1968
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:24,159
lantern-shaped ufo that lands on the

1969
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:25,520
side of the road and

1970
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,960
and a man uh that sees this object

1971
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:31,440
encounters a creature calling itself

1972
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:32,719
injured cold and

1973
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:35,520
there's just a mountain of weird

1974
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,280
paranormal activity that's taking place

1975
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,600
around this area for 13 months

1976
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,920
and during that time it all seems to be

1977
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:43,120
building to something

1978
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,280
and people can't figure out what it is

1979
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,040
and and the activity is getting stranger

1980
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:48,560
and stranger and you've

1981
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:50,400
you've just got this mounting sense of

1982
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,560
dread that something's about to happen

1983
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:55,440
and um in the middle of all of that is a

1984
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:56,080
is a

1985
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,520
actually doing an

1986
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:02,400
article on ufos for playboy magazine who

1987
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:03,840
happened to end up in point pleasant

1988
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:04,960
around the same time

1989
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:07,520
named john keel and kiel starts covering

1990
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:08,080
these

1991
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:12,239
in in a newspaper or not a newspaper but

1992
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:12,480
in

1993
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,239
like that and

1994
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,400
there's just this constant mounting of

1995
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:20,719
activity and it all culminates

1996
01:19:25,950 --> 01:19:23,920
on man these dates get screwed up in my

1997
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:25,960
head but i think it's december 15

1998
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,760
1967 when when the silver bridge

1999
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,159
which is a massive bridge spanning the

2000
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:34,000
ohio river

2001
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,640
collapses during rush hour traffic and

2002
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:38,880
takes with it 46 lives

2003
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,320
um and that event

2004
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,880
to most people that signals the end of

2005
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:46,880
the mothman story right because that's

2006
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,400
what we know from

2007
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,360
the most famous writing on the mothman

2008
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:53,040
story which is the mothman prophecies by

2009
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:54,080
john keel

2010
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:57,760
um it's it's my

2011
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,120
favorite aspect of of the

2012
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:03,600
you know of the mothman story is that 66

2013
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:04,960
67 story

2014
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:07,280
because it it has a beginning middle and

2015
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,159
an end

2016
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,239
but the fact is like it didn't actually

2017
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:12,960
end in 67 and in fact

2018
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:16,239
there if anything the the activity just

2019
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:18,639
spread out further from point pleasant

2020
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:19,840
um

2021
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:23,840
there's two aspects to this

2022
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:26,880
um you're and i'd you're right

2023
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:30,239
it's a pretty incredible two-year period

2024
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:34,639
for point pleasant up until 1966

2025
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,080
were there historically speaking uh

2026
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:41,280
mothman type sightings that predated uh

2027
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:45,040
what happened in 1967

2028
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,880
you've got to do some stretching to get

2029
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,320
them but they're they're there

2030
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:51,199
um specifically you know like i could

2031
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:51,840
talk about

2032
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,320
things like thunderbirds and right and

2033
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:56,159
man bat type creatures there was

2034
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:58,239
there's there were sightings of what

2035
01:21:02,070 --> 01:20:59,520
were termed as

2036
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:02,080
very large abnormally large owls you

2037
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,280
know 70 foot tall

2038
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,239
owls uh mark hall who's a famous cryptos

2039
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:07,840
who all just referred to them as big

2040
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:08,560
hoot

2041
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:12,000
instead of bigfoot um but but i would

2042
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:13,600
say the thing that always stands out to

2043
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,440
me and this is one of my favorite

2044
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:17,600
little sidebars to the mothman story and

2045
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:18,719
it was one that that

2046
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,520
was written about uh by an author named

2047
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,199
james gay jones

2048
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:25,840
uh in his appalachian man i can't

2049
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,199
remember the name of the book but

2050
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:29,040
he did a book that sort of compiled

2051
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:30,480
appalachian folklore

2052
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,000
there were sightings of what was known

2053
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:34,320
as the birdman right outside of point

2054
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,679
pleasant and this would have been right

2055
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,360
around the time of world war one

2056
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:40,560
and two um and these sightings seem to

2057
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:40,880
be

2058
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,239
of a man-sized bird um

2059
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:47,120
that that was you know it had the body

2060
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,880
of a man but had the head of a bird is

2061
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,639
kind of how it was written about

2062
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:53,120
and these sightings tended to precede

2063
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:53,760
some sort

2064
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:56,239
of disaster you know so whether it was a

2065
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,120
flood or

2066
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:59,040
someone's barn burning or something like

2067
01:22:03,110 --> 01:22:00,400
that there were

2068
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:03,120
all sorts of folk legends around the

2069
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:04,880
area around that time of this

2070
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,159
birdman so that's sort of your big

2071
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:10,000
you know when it comes to i guess oral

2072
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:11,679
tradition that's being passed around

2073
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:13,920
at that time that's the big one that

2074
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,400
seems to maybe connect to

2075
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:19,199
the mothman um there were sightings

2076
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:19,840
prior

2077
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:23,440
to the the

2078
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,719
november man i think it's november 15th

2079
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,040
again my dates get all messed up but the

2080
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,360
sighting by the scarberries and mallets

2081
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:33,360
um there were other sightings preceding

2082
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,719
that

2083
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,199
the two the probably the biggest one is

2084
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,280
there was a national guard sighting

2085
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,920
a national guardsman sighting right near

2086
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:44,159
the tnt area that took place

2087
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:47,280
um the year prior to the the

2088
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,480
66 sighting and that was actually what's

2089
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,159
interesting about that is

2090
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:54,880
jeff walmsley who runs the the mothman

2091
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:55,440
museum

2092
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,400
in point pleasant uh his dad was had

2093
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:00,239
something to do with the national guard

2094
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:01,520
facility around that time i can't

2095
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,719
remember if he was actually in the

2096
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,560
national guard or what it was but jeff

2097
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:07,679
recalls hearing stories being told

2098
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:10,480
by people at the at the national guard

2099
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:11,840
facility around that time

2100
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:15,360
of a creature seen in a tree

2101
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,560
across the road from the armory

2102
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:20,800
that had red eyes and seemed to be

2103
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,080
abnormally large

2104
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:23,840
and that would have been the year prior

2105
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:26,000
the the sighting that gets overlooked

2106
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:26,719
which is

2107
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,760
is probably the first locally reported

2108
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:30,960
sighting of the mothman

2109
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:34,080
is the clendenin sighting that

2110
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:37,440
happened in october or september

2111
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:40,239
of 1966 that involved a group of

2112
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:41,760
gravediggers

2113
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:45,040
seeing a large winged

2114
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:49,120
monster fly overhead as they were

2115
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:52,320
um actually there to dig a grave uh and

2116
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:53,280
what's really

2117
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,600
kind of cool about that clendenin story

2118
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:57,360
is there's i just found this out this

2119
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:59,040
past week there's only really one

2120
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,159
graveyard in clendenin and and it's

2121
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:04,000
the perfect place for this to happen it

2122
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,679
sits on top of this hill it sounds like

2123
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,679
again a setting for a horror movie right

2124
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,960
but those are the those are the

2125
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,600
stories that precede the sort of famous

2126
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:13,520
kickoff for the 66 stuff

2127
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,280
now jeff by the way knows way too much

2128
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:20,000
yeah but he's awesome he's always

2129
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:20,960
encyclopedia

2130
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:23,920
yeah yeah he's uh uh very very cool now

2131
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:24,239
but

2132
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:29,440
then after the silver bridge collapse

2133
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:32,000
and and the sightings locally what

2134
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:32,719
happened

2135
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:36,639
at that point did they just drop off

2136
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:40,400
well in the movie going back to you know

2137
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:43,040
the mothman prophecies movie

2138
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:44,880
and not to you know call that a

2139
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:47,120
documentary or anything but it is based

2140
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:48,560
on john keele

2141
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:52,800
and it seems like that was a resolve

2142
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:56,080
right that that was the the answer to

2143
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:56,480
these

2144
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:59,040
issues but what actually happened after

2145
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,800
the silver bridge collapse

2146
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,960
yeah sightings didn't stop in fact like

2147
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,159
i i've

2148
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:06,320
i i have reports from people who claim

2149
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:07,760
to see the mothman

2150
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:11,199
right right over or near the the site of

2151
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,239
the fallen

2152
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:14,639
silver bridge uh right around the same

2153
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,440
time that

2154
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:17,520
that the bridge had collapsed following

2155
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:18,800
the bridge collapse

2156
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,719
um and and there were sightings jeff

2157
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,960
walmsley took sightings into the 60s and

2158
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:24,400
70s as well

2159
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,600
right around point pleasant the the this

2160
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,600
the thinking when i talk to jeff about

2161
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:31,440
this and this seems to ring true for

2162
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:33,440
what i know about small towns is that it

2163
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:33,920
wasn't

2164
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:36,800
that sighting stopped it's that the

2165
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:37,679
attention

2166
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:40,639
shifted to the collapse of the bridge

2167
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:41,440
and

2168
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,520
it wasn't as attention-grabbing anymore

2169
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,760
for people especially when you're

2170
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:49,679
talking about like local newspapers

2171
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:53,199
to to report on mothman sightings

2172
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:55,280
when people are dealing with the death

2173
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:56,639
of 46 people

2174
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:59,040
in a community that only has a few

2175
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:00,400
thousand you know so everyone's

2176
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:02,000
connected to someone that died in this

2177
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:03,040
bridge collapse

2178
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,639
so it's no longer um cool it's no longer

2179
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:08,159
exciting yeah right

2180
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,239
it's not exciting or fun to cover a

2181
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:12,480
flying man creature flying around the

2182
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,120
town

2183
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,600
and so their attention moves to to other

2184
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:17,199
things over time but the

2185
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:20,880
the sightings didn't stop um and

2186
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:22,639
it's like i said when when we started

2187
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,920
making this movie the

2188
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:25,600
the initial idea was to do an

2189
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:27,280
all-encompassing

2190
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:30,960
continuation of what happened following

2191
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:35,679
uh 67 and and really delve into

2192
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:38,239
more of the men in black and ufo

2193
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,679
activity and what happened

2194
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,760
is we we did the opposite we really

2195
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,600
focused in on the mothman sightings

2196
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:45,920
because we found there were so many

2197
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,960
um we we had more witnesses than we

2198
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,000
could actually interview

2199
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,239
on this movie so we have i believe we

2200
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,159
have eight witness interviews in the

2201
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:56,239
film we could have easily had 12 but you

2202
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:57,520
reach a point where you're like okay

2203
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:58,239
we're not gonna

2204
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:01,920
we can't do all we can't do all this um

2205
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,880
so in our own research in in making this

2206
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:06,480
film and by the way i really have to

2207
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:08,159
give a shout out to heather mosher who's

2208
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:08,719
our

2209
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:12,400
she she's a huge

2210
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:15,600
help to me especially but um she she was

2211
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:17,760
able to turn up sighting after sighting

2212
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:18,719
um with put

2213
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,520
you know like you don't have to put a

2214
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:23,679
ton of effort into finding

2215
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:26,800
claims of mothman encounters and and

2216
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:27,520
that

2217
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:33,040
talking about late 60s early 70s mid 70s

2218
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:34,400
all that kind of stuff you really don't

2219
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,600
have to look that far

2220
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:37,920
to find people claiming to have seen

2221
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:39,440
something strange in the skies over west

2222
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:40,320
virginia

2223
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:42,400
and and i think one thing one big

2224
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:43,679
takeaway from our movie

2225
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:46,880
is i don't think this is all the

2226
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:50,000
same creature i don't think what people

2227
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:50,960
are seeing it's all

2228
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,840
it's all connected um you know there's

2229
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:55,280
you have so many different

2230
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,639
accounts of what people are

2231
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:00,400
are witnessing you know whether it's

2232
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:02,480
it's less odell waking up in the middle

2233
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:04,239
of the night and finding a creature

2234
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,080
in his room the night before you know

2235
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,159
his father dies or

2236
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:10,480
or it's someone seeing a pterodactyl

2237
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,360
type

2238
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,360
being flying past their window late at

2239
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:15,520
night this doesn't all seem to be the

2240
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:16,639
same thing

2241
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,760
now how much in in

2242
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:21,760
in your research and you're diving into

2243
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:24,159
this and you're interviewing witnesses

2244
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,280
how much responsibility falls on the

2245
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:29,760
shoulders of john keel

2246
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:33,120
right yeah it's it's a massive amount

2247
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:36,239
of of

2248
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:39,520
credit or it's hard to know how to put

2249
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,239
it because

2250
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:43,199
kiel's the one that shined the spotlight

2251
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:43,840
on

2252
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:47,440
the mothman and

2253
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:50,880
in doing so he may have

2254
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:53,920
opened the door for a lot of hoaxing and

2255
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,719
things like that

2256
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,719
right not intentionally but

2257
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,400
unintentionally he put he put a

2258
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,000
spotlight on something

2259
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,840
um you know i've been saying for a

2260
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:03,760
couple years that the mothman right now

2261
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:07,920
is probably the most popular paranormal

2262
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:10,560
creature cryptid urban legend whatever

2263
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:11,600
you want to call it i think it's the

2264
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:13,040
most popular

2265
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,320
maybe even more so than bigfoot and when

2266
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:18,239
when that happens you run the risk

2267
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:20,719
of you know a lot of people wanting to

2268
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:21,760
insert themselves

2269
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:24,880
into the story but um

2270
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:28,080
kiel's the one certainly on a national

2271
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:28,960
scale that

2272
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:32,320
kept the mothman in

2273
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:34,719
some semblance of the public conscious

2274
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:35,760
locally

2275
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:37,120
the credit would have to go to mary

2276
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:38,800
heyer who

2277
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:41,360
was the journalist the right yes she was

2278
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:42,880
the local reporter

2279
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:46,480
he kept the spotlight on the mothman

2280
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:49,520
uh on on a regional sort of scale

2281
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:51,920
um and actually if you really look into

2282
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,159
her writing she's the one that was

2283
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,239
constantly keeping up with reports and

2284
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:58,320
then she would pass them on to kiel

2285
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:00,639
so it's it's sort of a combination of

2286
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:02,159
the both of them and then there's other

2287
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:02,800
report

2288
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:04,800
other investigators who were in the area

2289
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:06,480
at the time who get overlooked

2290
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:09,199
um and certainly today we can you know

2291
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:09,760
look at

2292
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,320
investigators who who take reports

2293
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:16,239
there's the sieges out of pennsylvania

2294
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,520
and they investigate this kind of stuff

2295
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:19,520
unless even that's in the film

2296
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:22,960
um but it all sort of goes back to kiel

2297
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,719
let's uh we got to take a break right

2298
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,360
here seth so let's get that in this is

2299
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:29,520
fade to black i'm your jimmy church our

2300
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:30,560
guest tonight

2301
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:33,199
is now first off when we come back after

2302
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:35,120
the break uh with seth

2303
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:38,960
uh jumping into all of this is important

2304
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:41,040
but the responsibility of these

2305
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:42,960
reporters and how the community

2306
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:45,679
embraced all of this is is also very

2307
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:46,960
important we're gonna do all of that

2308
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:48,800
when we come back our guest tonight seth

2309
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:49,520
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2310
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2353
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:08,960
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2354
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:11,520
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2355
01:33:15,669 --> 01:33:12,560
jimmy church

2356
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,679
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2357
01:33:20,830 --> 01:33:17,040
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2358
01:34:03,430 --> 01:33:20,840
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2359
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:05,590
welcome back faded block i am your host

2360
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:06,800
jimmy church tonight

2361
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:10,000
seth breedlove is here tomorrow night

2362
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,800
greg house thursday night is another

2363
01:34:16,149 --> 01:34:14,400
fader night with open lines all night

2364
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,159
long tonight

2365
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:18,400
seth is with us he's an ohio filmmaker

2366
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:19,600
and his new film

2367
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:22,880
is the mothman legacy it is releasing on

2368
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:25,679
uh most streaming services on october

2369
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:26,639
20th

2370
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:30,480
uh uh distributed by 1091 films

2371
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:32,560
you can check out all of the information

2372
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:35,120
and pre-order the dvd and blu-ray

2373
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:38,239
over at smalltownmonsters.com now seth

2374
01:34:41,830 --> 01:34:39,360
one of the

2375
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,840
sensitive subjects and i i do want to

2376
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:43,440
address this and i touched upon it

2377
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:44,560
before the break

2378
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:47,760
is that we're we're on a fine balance

2379
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:48,320
here

2380
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:51,520
with not only the community and how this

2381
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:53,679
is covered but they have a celebration

2382
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:55,119
each year they have a festival the

2383
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:57,040
mothman festival uh

2384
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:00,239
we have 46 people that that died in the

2385
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:02,719
bridge collapse that is tied to this

2386
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:05,920
and and john keels coverage and others

2387
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:08,719
right and and the embracing of the

2388
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:09,679
mothman

2389
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:12,639
uh legacy right not only the name of the

2390
01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:13,199
film

2391
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:14,880
but the way that the rest of the country

2392
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:17,360
looks at this and you don't really want

2393
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:18,480
to celebrate

2394
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:21,520
too much because 46 people died two

2395
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,880
were never even found and recovered

2396
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:26,880
and and so you walk the fine line here

2397
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:28,719
both as a filmmaker

2398
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:30,800
and and as a community you've got a

2399
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,400
museum you have t-shirts

2400
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:34,880
right it's there's two things that have

2401
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:35,440
to be

2402
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:39,280
uh looked at yeah i mean uh

2403
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:41,119
when we made our first movie when we

2404
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:43,199
made the mothman point pleasant which is

2405
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:45,199
that's the film we made that looked at

2406
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:47,600
the 66 and 67 stuff and

2407
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,880
and the collapse of the silver bridge

2408
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,639
and all that um

2409
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:52,800
that was a line we had to walk and and

2410
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:54,560
we had to do it while we had people

2411
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:56,320
involved who had lost loved ones

2412
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:58,960
on the bridge right we dedicated that

2413
01:36:02,790 --> 01:35:59,520
movie

2414
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:02,800
to carolyn harris who died um

2415
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:05,199
in i believe it was either late december

2416
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:06,719
or early january

2417
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:10,719
of 2016 slash 2017

2418
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:14,320
um right she was supposed to be a key

2419
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:16,719
player in our film and and i had had a

2420
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:18,320
meeting with her she lost a son and a

2421
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,280
husband

2422
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:21,600
on the bridge um her son i believe was

2423
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,400
four

2424
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,800
um so you know it was a it was a

2425
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:26,239
sensitive topic

2426
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:29,520
um you know there's when you talk to

2427
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:31,440
people in point pleasant

2428
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:34,080
um i think at this point a lot of those

2429
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,639
people

2430
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:36,960
separate the mothman from the silver

2431
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:38,320
bridge um

2432
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:41,679
and and you know outside of keele's work

2433
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:43,360
and pop culture there's nothing

2434
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:45,119
connecting the mothman

2435
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:48,320
to the silver bridge um other than than

2436
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:50,400
keel and maybe a few odd stories here

2437
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,920
there were where people claimed they

2438
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:53,280
were told something about the silver

2439
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:53,920
bridge

2440
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:56,400
there's nothing to say that mothman was

2441
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:58,159
there to warn people about

2442
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,760
the collapse of the bridge that's that's

2443
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:01,679
sort of become a pop culture

2444
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:05,440
staple um you know so so you can you can

2445
01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:07,280
walk a tightrope there what we had to do

2446
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:10,000
was simply focus on the history of what

2447
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,560
happened

2448
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:13,360
and and once you do that and don't try

2449
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,280
to insert yourself into the narrative at

2450
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,520
all i think it's fairly easy to simply

2451
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:19,040
tell that story

2452
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,960
and and wrap everything up with the

2453
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:22,480
collapse of the silver bridge because in

2454
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:23,920
point pleasant that's when people stop

2455
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,880
talking about it

2456
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:26,400
and that was the story we were telling

2457
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:27,840
was the story of point pleasant and the

2458
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:29,280
people that live there

2459
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:33,040
and how they view the the mothman story

2460
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:35,679
um you know and again what what happened

2461
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:36,800
after

2462
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:40,639
67 broadened out so far

2463
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:44,000
beyond point pleasant that the story

2464
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:45,040
ceased

2465
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:47,199
being simply about point pleasant and

2466
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:49,119
became a much larger

2467
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:51,199
uh something much larger scale and it

2468
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:53,040
continues to grow to this day and you

2469
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:53,520
know like

2470
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:56,639
our our the mothman legacy focuses on

2471
01:38:02,550 --> 01:37:59,679
appalachia so it's it's west virginia

2472
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:02,560
uh and that appalachian you know culture

2473
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:02,880
and

2474
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:06,080
the

2475
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:09,440
today

2476
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:12,639
now uh we keep going back to john keel

2477
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:16,239
uh for a lot of reasons um how did

2478
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:20,080
he uh how did he

2479
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:23,360
how did he deal with it did he feel

2480
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:26,480
uh in the end uh

2481
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:28,639
you know with the bridge collapse and

2482
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:30,800
other things was that something that

2483
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:33,840
was that across to bear did he

2484
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:36,560
feel like maybe he needed to walk away

2485
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,280
and not

2486
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,840
write about this yeah i think he did

2487
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:41,360
because he put he definitely put

2488
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:42,880
distance there

2489
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,440
um you know between himself and the

2490
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:47,360
mothman until later in his life and he

2491
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:48,719
really didn't come back

2492
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:52,080
to the story too much until

2493
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:54,639
until the uh the richard gere movie came

2494
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,440
out and i know

2495
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:58,159
i know from talking to steve ward who's

2496
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:58,480
in

2497
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:01,840
his

2498
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:05,040
impression was that once uh the mothman

2499
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:06,480
prophecies film came out

2500
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:09,600
and and the statue was erected in

2501
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:12,080
point pleasant of the mothman and that

2502
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,679
kind of thing that was when

2503
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:16,080
keel sort of came back around to it

2504
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:17,840
where he you know he returned he

2505
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:18,560
actually went

2506
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,360
back to point pleasant um and was able

2507
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:23,280
to see the impact that his

2508
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,440
you know his investigations it had on

2509
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:27,280
the culture of the community and that it

2510
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:29,040
was something that lived on and

2511
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,080
that was his legacy you know like his

2512
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:34,480
when when when we titled this film the

2513
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:37,040
mothman legacy it isn't solely about

2514
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:39,760
um the mothman as a creature in ongoing

2515
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:41,280
sightings is it's about a lot of the

2516
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:42,960
people that are connected to that story

2517
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:45,199
so you've got jeff and his daughter and

2518
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,719
and the museum and all the things that

2519
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:48,560
are going on there and and

2520
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:51,360
the the financial impact that the museum

2521
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:53,119
has had on the town but you also have

2522
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:54,000
john keel

2523
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:57,040
and you know his his probably

2524
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:58,639
realization later in life

2525
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,000
that that the the mothman was

2526
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:04,159
was probably the biggest thing that he

2527
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,600
would be remembered for

2528
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:07,840
um and and i definitely think it is like

2529
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:09,199
regardless of

2530
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:11,760
what what we know about keel and his

2531
01:40:14,709 --> 01:40:12,320
work and

2532
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:14,719
and the respect we have for it outside

2533
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,600
of

2534
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:17,520
um the mothman most people don't know

2535
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,639
about keel

2536
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,560
so it's it's become the thing that he is

2537
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:22,880
most closely associated with and i think

2538
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:24,080
that's true for

2539
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:26,639
for most of the people who who were

2540
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:28,719
intricately involved with that mothman

2541
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:32,400
story now how did uh how did keel

2542
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:36,159
change uh with his views not only in his

2543
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:37,360
reporting

2544
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:40,320
but personally uh about this being

2545
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:40,960
physical

2546
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,960
and possibly starting to reach into

2547
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:44,880
something else

2548
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:47,920
well yeah and i i don't i don't know

2549
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,360
the the trajectory of kiel's

2550
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:54,480
um research into the paranormal so i

2551
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,440
don't know that

2552
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:57,840
that he started you know as sort of the

2553
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,800
in sort of the

2554
01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:01,119
flesh and blood camp and then right

2555
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,000
graduated

2556
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:04,800
to this interdimensional slash ultra

2557
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:06,080
terrestrial

2558
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:09,440
um sort of theorizing um i don't know

2559
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:10,719
that that happened

2560
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:12,480
or if he came to it and that was like

2561
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,159
his one of the maybe

2562
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:16,159
the way he approached it to begin with

2563
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:17,600
um

2564
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:20,080
i know he is one of the people that

2565
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,920
popularized that idea

2566
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,679
you know that that maybe we're dealing

2567
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:25,840
with something other than

2568
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,880
an alien or an unknown creature maybe

2569
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:30,239
we're dealing with something that's

2570
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,600
that's coming from another plane of

2571
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,760
existence and

2572
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:35,199
and the interesting thing about that is

2573
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:37,119
he connected that to all paranormal

2574
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,000
phenomena

2575
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:40,800
so he kind of felt like it it all was

2576
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:41,679
interconnected

2577
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,600
you know like like all of this stuff

2578
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,119
bigfoot and

2579
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:48,400
and and mothman and ufos it's all

2580
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,760
it's all something um you know that that

2581
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:53,440
might be coming from another place

2582
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:54,080
another

2583
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,280
point of existence idea

2584
01:42:00,950 --> 01:42:00,239
um and and when it comes to i would

2585
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:00,960
assume

2586
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,920
that a lot of that or maybe not a lot i

2587
01:42:08,629 --> 01:42:05,679
would assume that a large

2588
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:08,639
uh some some part of his research into

2589
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:10,239
the mothman

2590
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,600
was due to that idea

2591
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:15,600
you know that that that there's

2592
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:18,159
something far more mysterious at play

2593
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,119
here than than

2594
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:21,600
unknown creatures and mysterious

2595
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:23,679
government agents and aliens from outer

2596
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:24,400
space

2597
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:26,080
um because when you really look at the

2598
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:27,679
mothman story

2599
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:30,880
especially that 6667 stuff you're

2600
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:34,080
dealing with a a

2601
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,520
a carnival of weird

2602
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:39,600
taking place around point pleasant at

2603
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:41,040
that time it isn't just

2604
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,840
mothman sightings it's it's mothman

2605
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,639
sightings and

2606
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,800
and men in black and strange objects in

2607
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:49,040
the sky and poltergeist activity taking

2608
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,159
place in people's homes and

2609
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,480
other strange creatures there's reports

2610
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,320
of of uh

2611
01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:59,360
a creature a hairy like a hairy bigfoot

2612
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:01,440
type creature seen in the tnt area that

2613
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:02,560
had wings

2614
01:43:08,830 --> 01:43:05,679
during that same time period um so

2615
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,840
you're dealing with a whole cavalcade of

2616
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:10,080
bizarre uh

2617
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,719
phenomena that all seem to descend on

2618
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,920
point pleasant

2619
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:16,480
and you know kiel's the guy who's taking

2620
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:17,600
all these reports

2621
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:21,119
so you know if he's the type of guy

2622
01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:24,239
who's going to attempt to find an

2623
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,400
answer i mean that's one thing that sets

2624
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:28,400
keel and me apart i don't really try i'm

2625
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:29,360
not trying to find

2626
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:30,880
i'm not trying to make sense of any of

2627
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:33,840
this i'm interested in cataloging it

2628
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,880
or documenting the stories kill i think

2629
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:38,800
was interested in in

2630
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,719
hypothesizing about what it might have

2631
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,000
actually been taking place

2632
01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:43,760
and and that's where you come up with

2633
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:45,679
this ultra-terrestrial

2634
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:49,280
interdimensional idea and that's due to

2635
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:51,280
trying to make sense of the utter

2636
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:54,239
bizarre nature of everything he's seeing

2637
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:57,679
and there is one aspect to a keele's

2638
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:00,320
view the the inter-dimensional aspect of

2639
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:02,159
this a parallel world

2640
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:04,880
you know caller what you will is that

2641
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:06,480
today

2642
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:09,199
science is looking very hard when you

2643
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:10,480
talk about physics

2644
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:14,159
and and and quantum physics and some of

2645
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:15,199
these

2646
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:18,239
uh physicists that are writing books and

2647
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:21,600
talking about crazy science fiction way

2648
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:22,480
out there

2649
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,840
subjects like uh uh the multiverse or

2650
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:27,199
parallel worlds or

2651
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,480
extra dimensions and and things that

2652
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:32,639
that are part of our very existence in

2653
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:33,840
the study of numbers and

2654
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:37,119
algorithms that are proving uh

2655
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:39,920
what they are suggesting here but this

2656
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,239
is

2657
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:43,440
about

2658
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:47,440
so long ago where today if we start to

2659
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:55,109
6 7 8 9 11 dimensions

2660
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:57,280
and and parallel worlds and quantum

2661
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:00,320
physics then this goes right back to

2662
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:03,199
the answers that keel was seeking so

2663
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:05,119
many years ago right

2664
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:08,239
yeah and and kiel was phrasing it

2665
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:11,040
in in one way whereas i'm sure there

2666
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,080
were people

2667
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:14,320
prior to kiel that that were sort of

2668
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:16,080
theorizing about the same sort of

2669
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,920
thing but doing it in another

2670
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:19,119
terminology

2671
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:21,440
and and i think this is extremely

2672
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:22,639
ancient i mean it really

2673
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:25,600
really if you look at most mythology and

2674
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:26,560
religion

2675
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:29,600
um a lot of it you know might boil down

2676
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:30,400
to

2677
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:36,639
religion or spirituality or any of that

2678
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:39,360
in fact like i think it it might just

2679
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,719
you're just all you're doing is

2680
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,800
rephrasing thing generation

2681
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,560
rephrasing things generation to

2682
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:46,320
generation and sort of cataloging it in

2683
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:47,440
a new way

2684
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:50,960
um you know this this generation we're

2685
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:53,199
talking about interdimensional and

2686
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:54,480
quantum theory and all that kind of

2687
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:56,880
stuff and you know maybe maybe a hundred

2688
01:46:01,830 --> 01:45:58,639
years ago they had another

2689
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:01,840
term for it and ghosts yeah

2690
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:06,400
yeah angels yeah right we're just re

2691
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:08,159
sort of re-parsing everything every

2692
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,679
every hundred years or whatever

2693
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:11,360
i don't even know if it's that long and

2694
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:13,360
i think keel was aware of that as well

2695
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:14,480
he references

2696
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:16,239
you know obviously hindu mythology and

2697
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:18,000
that kind of stuff i mean that that was

2698
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:19,360
you know one thing that we got to play

2699
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:21,360
around with in the mothman legacy was

2700
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:21,760
that

2701
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:25,119
idea of mythology and the mothman

2702
01:46:31,990 --> 01:46:28,480
and how what you're dealing with here uh

2703
01:46:33,750 --> 01:46:32,000
in in appalachia seems very uh similar

2704
01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:33,760
to a lot of

2705
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:37,600
uh popular myths around the world and

2706
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:38,800
what's interesting is some of those

2707
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:39,280
myths

2708
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:42,960
um happen to uh exist

2709
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:45,920
in in some of the cultures that settled

2710
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:47,840
appalachia and west virginia

2711
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:50,000
so you've got you know the the banshees

2712
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:51,920
coming over with the scotch irish

2713
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:54,800
and the banshee is obviously a a

2714
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:55,520
red-eyed

2715
01:46:59,350 --> 01:46:57,920
creature typically you know seen as a

2716
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,360
woman sometimes a

2717
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:01,679
black-hooded figure on a horse that

2718
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:02,560
screams

2719
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:05,920
and uh heralds an oncoming tragedy

2720
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:08,560
you know and that sounds weirdly similar

2721
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:09,840
to the mothman

2722
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,880
um and and so that's you know one thing

2723
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:14,320
we got to play around with i think is

2724
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:14,880
that

2725
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:17,360
and it's it's sort of hinted at even in

2726
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:18,560
the tagline of

2727
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:20,719
of the the movie itself is that there's

2728
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:22,480
something ancient to all of this

2729
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:24,880
it isn't necessarily it isn't

2730
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:26,639
necessarily a new

2731
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,239
phenomenon this is something that that

2732
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:32,480
probably has existed for a very long

2733
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:35,199
period of time now one of the things

2734
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:36,000
especially for

2735
01:47:40,229 --> 01:47:38,159
somebody like me and for others that

2736
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:40,239
that are going to watch this film

2737
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:42,639
um you know i'm cruising along i'm

2738
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:45,040
enjoying it and all of a sudden i hear

2739
01:47:49,669 --> 01:47:48,639
and men in black arrived right i snap to

2740
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:49,679
attention

2741
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:52,800
okay now here we go uh you've mentioned

2742
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:54,080
the men in black now

2743
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:57,040
a few times tonight and i you know i let

2744
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:58,239
it get by us

2745
01:48:02,229 --> 01:48:00,080
because i knew we would uh come back to

2746
01:48:05,669 --> 01:48:02,239
it and address it directly

2747
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:05,679
um now obviously men in black and

2748
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:08,320
and ufology go hand in hand this is part

2749
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:08,960
of

2750
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:11,760
not only urban legend or the mythology

2751
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:12,400
of

2752
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:17,920
the men in black arrive in point

2753
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,960
pleasant

2754
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:20,960
now we need to start to connect the dots

2755
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,639
when was the first men in black

2756
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:23,679
reference

2757
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:27,920
uh in in in point pleasant

2758
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:31,520
uh that i have no idea um

2759
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:34,960
because because since i it's got to be

2760
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:38,239
it's got to be around 65 i believe it

2761
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:41,280
it probably precedes the the mothman and

2762
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,400
ufo stuff but

2763
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:44,400
it's been you know i mean we we delved

2764
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:46,000
into the men in black stuff

2765
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:49,119
in in 2017 but we really

2766
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:51,040
sort of avoided it with the mothman

2767
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:52,800
legacy simply because we really wanted

2768
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:54,800
to focus on the mothman sightings

2769
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:58,080
so so i believe the recitings

2770
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:01,600
of or or encounters with men in black

2771
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:04,719
uh prior to the actual

2772
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:07,440
uh mothman you know sort of stepping on

2773
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:08,080
the scene

2774
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:11,600
in in 1966 but i'm not sure on an exact

2775
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:13,119
date or anything like that or what the

2776
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,239
encounter would have been

2777
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:16,080
i can tell you just from being in point

2778
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:17,760
pleasant men in

2779
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,800
black encounters are more

2780
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,880
common you can find you can you can have

2781
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:24,560
run-ins with people who

2782
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:27,199
who know someone who saw a man in black

2783
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:28,080
or had an encounter

2784
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:30,159
with a men in black easier than any of

2785
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:31,119
the other

2786
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:32,800
uh phenomena that are that are

2787
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:35,520
associated with point pleasant so

2788
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:38,560
well the obvious question is why but the

2789
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:39,520
other part of this

2790
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:42,719
is we're talking about a small town so

2791
01:49:47,109 --> 01:49:45,440
anybody coming in aside from during the

2792
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:47,119
festival but if you're going to arrive

2793
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:48,159
in town

2794
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:51,119
they uh the people from point pleasant

2795
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:52,639
know that you're not from there i mean

2796
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:53,119
it's

2797
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,159
if

2798
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:59,119
men in black arrive in town that's going

2799
01:50:02,950 --> 01:49:59,599
to get

2800
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,960
noticed it it has to right it's just too

2801
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:04,400
small

2802
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:09,350
the other thing is that a lot of those

2803
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:10,960
encounters

2804
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:14,159
came following a a

2805
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:17,119
a sighting of a of a of a ufo so someone

2806
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:18,960
would have a sighting of a ufo

2807
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:21,199
they might might not even tell anyone

2808
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:22,320
about it and all of a sudden there's

2809
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,440
someone at their door

2810
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:25,760
you know a man in black uh asking

2811
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:27,440
strange questions about their

2812
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:29,679
their encounter and and these men in

2813
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:30,639
black

2814
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:34,080
uh encounters weren't necessarily

2815
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,599
you know you think men in black and you

2816
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:38,400
think dudes and suits right like a

2817
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:39,280
couple dudes in

2818
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,800
in black suits but that wasn't always

2819
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:42,480
the case i mean they weren't always in

2820
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:45,440
in black suits and you know they they

2821
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:47,119
definitely didn't always seem to be

2822
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:48,000
typical

2823
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:50,560
human being men i mean there's some

2824
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:52,159
really strange

2825
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:54,480
uh descriptions of some of the men in

2826
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,280
black

2827
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:58,320
that were encountered in in in that 66

2828
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:01,199
and 67 time period yeah like what

2829
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:04,560
um just just like that like speaking in

2830
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:06,719
a halted tones like they didn't know how

2831
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:07,679
to speak english

2832
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:11,040
properly um one of my favorite stories

2833
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:11,840
involves a

2834
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:14,080
man in black who who sat down at a

2835
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:15,760
dinner table with a family

2836
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:18,880
and kept asking for water acted like he

2837
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,000
had never seen a pen

2838
01:51:23,669 --> 01:51:22,320
before like like most things that we

2839
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:23,679
take for granted

2840
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,520
um he found extremely foreign and

2841
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:29,520
there were there were a lot of

2842
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:31,119
encounters with these

2843
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:32,880
men in black where it almost seemed like

2844
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:34,880
they were robotic

2845
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,000
or like artificial intelligence um

2846
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:40,560
you know more so than than like a human

2847
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:41,440
being

2848
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:44,320
uh you know a government agent which i

2849
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:45,920
think is what we typically think of when

2850
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:47,760
we think man in black

2851
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:48,960
yeah i'm trying to figure out how to

2852
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,199
write with this pen now so

2853
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:54,239
i i understand that confusion um and and

2854
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:57,760
taking is through to today uh and i

2855
01:52:01,589 --> 01:52:00,000
suggested everybody watch the film it

2856
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:01,599
covers a lot of history

2857
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,119
but today uh mothman

2858
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:07,520
is is not just a point pleasant or a

2859
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:08,800
virginia

2860
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,119
thing the sightings are across the

2861
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:13,840
country are they around the world

2862
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:16,000
um and you know i mean i think there's

2863
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:17,520
there's creatures seen around the world

2864
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:17,840
that

2865
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:25,520
know it

2866
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:28,800
does seem to stick to appalachia um

2867
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:30,880
that that classic description of the

2868
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:32,960
mothman seems to be

2869
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:36,719
sort of relegated to to west virginia

2870
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:38,719
new york a little bit of new york a

2871
01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:40,159
little bit of pennsylvania you might get

2872
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,800
some

2873
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,400
sightings even down into like north

2874
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:44,639
carolina but um

2875
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:47,440
you know what we know as the mothman the

2876
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:48,159
classic

2877
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:49,679
character the mothman i think that's

2878
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:51,199
seen around

2879
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:53,040
uh west virginia and those sightings

2880
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:54,880
still happen today which is how we

2881
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:57,360
we come up with eight eight eyewitness

2882
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:58,400
interviews

2883
01:53:01,350 --> 01:53:00,000
you know from the mothman legacy and are

2884
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:01,360
able to talk to people about those

2885
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:02,239
encounters

2886
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:05,360
have you uh uh been contacted

2887
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:09,040
with uh witnesses that have had video

2888
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:12,639
or or taken any pictures we've

2889
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:15,440
we've definitely been account contacted

2890
01:53:18,149 --> 01:53:15,920
um

2891
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:18,159
unfortunately i would say you know most

2892
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:19,840
of the stuff we're contacted with

2893
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,599
is the same hoaxed photos that hit the

2894
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:25,679
the news media you know what i mean like

2895
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:26,719
those people

2896
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:28,719
uh the people that contact us with that

2897
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:30,639
kind of stuff they're typically

2898
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:32,960
trying to gain some sort of attention

2899
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:34,239
what have you made

2900
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:37,760
uh with uh some of the

2901
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:41,199
the vintage uh photographs that have

2902
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:42,320
been out there of

2903
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:45,040
of thunderbirds and and certainly uh

2904
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:46,000
mothman

2905
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:50,320
sized uh uh birds and and pterodactyls

2906
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:51,599
and what have you

2907
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:54,320
yeah we made a movie last year called

2908
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,080
terror in the skies and that's what the

2909
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:58,639
focus of that was was

2910
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:01,679
man-sized birds and larger around the

2911
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,199
state of illinois and and

2912
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:06,000
we we actually had some of the original

2913
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:07,280
footage shot

2914
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:10,080
by a guy who called himself texas john

2915
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:11,199
huffer

2916
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:14,320
and uh texas john shot this what is sort

2917
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,800
of

2918
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:16,800
considered to be the the probably the

2919
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:18,880
most famous sort of patterson gimlin of

2920
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,080
thunderbird footage

2921
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,800
right and he shot it um and we actually

2922
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:24,800
own the camera and the original film

2923
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:26,400
negatives for that now

2924
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:30,159
um but it's none of it's

2925
01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:33,440
uh persuasive you know just to be frank

2926
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:34,159
about it it's

2927
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:37,280
it's if it was we would know 100 these

2928
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:38,000
things are real

2929
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:40,800
right so until until you see something

2930
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,239
for yourself or you can

2931
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:44,320
you know pull a body out of a river or

2932
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,760
whatever i don't know that we'll ever

2933
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:47,520
know that these things are real

2934
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:50,560
um there's a lot of interesting

2935
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:53,760
photos and video out there um but

2936
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:57,119
none of it is going to especially

2937
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:58,480
scientists it's not going to do enough

2938
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,199
to persuade

2939
01:55:02,229 --> 01:55:01,840
like a scientist to to look into this

2940
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:02,239
yeah

2941
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:05,520
i was uh i'm from illinois and

2942
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:09,360
uh indiana and there was

2943
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:11,760
so much talk growing up i'm talking

2944
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:13,280
about the mid 70s

2945
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:16,960
about thunderbirds and i had a couple of

2946
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:19,119
relatives and a couple of other friends

2947
01:55:22,149 --> 01:55:20,880
that were into bird sighting bird

2948
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:22,159
watching

2949
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:23,599
and that that was the talk we're going

2950
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:25,599
to go out and look for thunderbirds

2951
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:28,960
yeah and that part especially back then

2952
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:32,480
i believe that this was

2953
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:34,480
something that was accepted there was a

2954
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:35,599
lot of talks

2955
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:37,360
a lot of talk about thunderbird

2956
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:39,119
sightings and i remember

2957
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:41,440
all of this growing up and i never heard

2958
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:42,320
about it

2959
01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:45,520
outside of the illinois indiana areas

2960
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:48,400
and and those sightings but i have seen

2961
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:48,639
i

2962
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:56,400
um but never never never a body

2963
01:56:02,709 --> 01:55:59,520
a lot like sasquatch right i do

2964
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:02,719
i this is one of those topics i

2965
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:05,520
i 100 believe that that that something

2966
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:08,080
like a thunderbird could exist because

2967
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:10,239
you know we have abnormalities and all

2968
01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:11,920
in all sorts of species

2969
01:56:17,910 --> 01:56:15,280
you get abnormally large creatures in in

2970
01:56:18,310 --> 01:56:17,920
in any number of you know species around

2971
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:18,320
the

2972
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,040
sort of andean condor sightings that

2973
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:27,679
took place in illinois in the 70s that's

2974
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,320
right

2975
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:30,239
that gets that gets real strange because

2976
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:31,679
those sightings aren't

2977
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:33,119
you know it's not one or two people

2978
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:35,199
reporting that when you get into those

2979
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,920
uh

2980
01:56:39,030 --> 01:56:37,760
and it was always two birds those were

2981
01:56:41,750 --> 01:56:39,040
seen around

2982
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:41,760
uh illinois for at least a couple

2983
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:42,400
summers

2984
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:46,000
and it was multiple sightings many many

2985
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:46,960
witnesses

2986
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:48,400
claimed to have seen those indian

2987
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:51,040
condor-looking looking creatures flying

2988
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:52,880
across the sky and it was one case

2989
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:54,000
picking a kid up

2990
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:57,119
yes yes yes i remember all of that

2991
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:00,159
and uh reports that you know 10 15 foot

2992
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:03,760
wingspans and uh it was on the news this

2993
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:04,159
was

2994
01:57:11,109 --> 01:57:07,920
in that area

2995
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:11,119
yeah yeah it's fascinating yeah check

2996
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:12,480
out terry in the skies because that's

2997
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:14,480
that's oh i've seen it clearly about oh

2998
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:16,880
okay cool everything that you have put

2999
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:17,679
out

3000
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:20,000
and uh when we come back i want to dive

3001
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:20,960
into that

3002
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:24,000
um for uh you know some of uh the other

3003
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:25,440
stuff that you've worked on

3004
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:28,880
going back to the mothman legacy is when

3005
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:32,159
when you suggest somebody uh

3006
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:33,840
to look at a certain section of this

3007
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:37,520
film what is it that you would say

3008
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:41,520
i in terms of encounter stories i mean

3009
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:43,440
there's there's so many unique ones but

3010
01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:44,800
less odell

3011
01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:47,440
um stands out it's one of the last if

3012
01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:48,880
not i think it is the last

3013
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:51,520
sighting story in the entire film and it

3014
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:53,280
it revolves around a man seeing

3015
01:57:57,750 --> 01:57:55,840
seeing the mothman in his bedroom uh

3016
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:57,760
while not in his bedroom he's

3017
01:58:01,189 --> 01:57:59,840
while sleeping in his in his father's

3018
01:58:03,430 --> 01:58:01,199
house prior to

3019
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:03,440
his father's death it's just such a

3020
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:04,239
standout

3021
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:07,520
moment in the film um emotionally

3022
01:58:11,510 --> 01:58:10,159
and then also just so weird it's such a

3023
01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:11,520
strange

3024
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:13,520
story and flies in the face of what we

3025
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:15,119
think we know about the mothman you know

3026
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:16,560
you think of the mothman and you think

3027
01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:17,360
of

3028
01:58:21,189 --> 01:58:19,599
a creature that chases cars on backroads

3029
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:21,199
at night

3030
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:23,679
but this is actually the second mothman

3031
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:24,239
story

3032
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:26,960
in two mothman films the mothman point

3033
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:27,920
pleasant

3034
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:30,320
also had a story similar to this where

3035
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:32,639
where someone encounters the mothman

3036
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:34,560
you know while they're sleeping or after

3037
01:58:38,149 --> 01:58:35,920
they've been awoke

3038
01:58:38,950 --> 01:58:38,159
so so there's there's something going on

3039
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:38,960
there

3040
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:41,840
that that is very strange and unnerving

3041
01:58:49,270 --> 01:58:42,159
in

3042
01:58:51,189 --> 01:58:49,280
night and found what he

3043
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:51,199
felt was the moth man standing in his

3044
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:52,800
bedroom um

3045
01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:56,239
and that's very similar to to the story

3046
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:58,560
um to this interview we conducted with

3047
01:59:02,310 --> 01:59:00,880
les in in the mothman legacy where he he

3048
01:59:04,790 --> 01:59:02,320
wakes up late at night

3049
01:59:05,750 --> 01:59:04,800
there's a creature at the end of his bed

3050
01:59:07,589 --> 01:59:05,760
sort of hovering

3051
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:07,599
you know near his bed now what's

3052
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:09,280
interesting about les's encounter is

3053
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:10,080
it's with a

3054
01:59:13,189 --> 01:59:12,639
a short crea it's not a very large

3055
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:13,199
creature

3056
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:14,480
you know he thought like four or five

3057
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feet tall um

3058
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but but there are definitely

3059
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similarities between what he encountered

3060
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and

3061
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a whole other door of

3062
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a path of of conversation really if you

3063
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want to go down that where you where you

3064
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can talk about how

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all the varied descriptions of the

3066
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mothman

3067
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you know the what what people are seeing

3068
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it doesn't all align um in fact i would

3069
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say most of

3070
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of the sightings of the mothman don't

3071
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align there's usually some

3072
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physical characteristic that someone

3073
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describes that you've never heard before

3074
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you know or there's some aspects it's

3075
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almost like there there's an

3076
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amalgamation of different

3077
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creature encounters happening in each

3078
02:00:01,109 --> 01:59:59,840
a witness description but you know

3079
02:00:03,589 --> 02:00:01,119
you're dealing with a

3080
02:00:05,750 --> 02:00:03,599
s typically what what people say is like

3081
02:00:06,310 --> 02:00:05,760
a six foot tall grayish skinned creature

3082
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:06,320
with red

3083
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eyes but what les saw in his bedroom

3084
02:00:13,109 --> 02:00:12,000
isn't that at all and what lawrence gray

3085
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saw in his bedroom

3086
02:00:18,149 --> 02:00:15,520
seemed to be a man uh almost like an

3087
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angel or a demon with wings

3088
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that's where i was going with with all

3089
02:00:25,350 --> 02:00:21,599
of this there is

3090
02:00:28,470 --> 02:00:25,360
uh certainly with imagery there is

3091
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a demonic demon almost gargoyle

3092
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aspect to this which would lean towards

3093
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a religious

3094
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side i've only got 45 seconds before the

3095
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break

3096
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:37,840
is this something that a lot of these

3097
02:00:41,910 --> 02:00:38,960
witnesses

3098
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:41,920
were church going you know and this

3099
02:00:45,589 --> 02:00:43,920
could be the power of suggestion

3100
02:00:46,950 --> 02:00:45,599
with some of the things that they uh

3101
02:00:49,669 --> 02:00:46,960
were describing

3102
02:00:51,189 --> 02:00:49,679
well i don't know about les but uh

3103
02:00:53,430 --> 02:00:51,199
lawrence gray was a pastor

3104
02:00:54,950 --> 02:00:53,440
and he had actually been a missionary so

3105
02:00:56,709 --> 02:00:54,960
for sure that was a

3106
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connection that he made that was based

3107
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on his biblical knowledge

3108
02:01:02,070 --> 02:01:00,080
and he wrote a book or his wife wrote a

3109
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book about his encounter

3110
02:01:05,589 --> 02:01:03,840
along with some other things and it

3111
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definitely drew parallels between what

3112
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he encountered and his

3113
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you know the the biblical description i

3114
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guess of of a demon

3115
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let's take our break right here our

3116
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3117
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talking about his new film the mothman

3118
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legacy when we come back i want to go

3119
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through some of the uh some of the films

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3242
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3243
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3244
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welcome back fade to black i'm your

3245
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jimmy church tonight seth

3246
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breedlove is here we're talking about

3247
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:54,960
well most of the night we're talking

3248
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:56,320
about his new film

3249
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,480
uh the mothman legacy it is premiering

3250
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october 20th and you can pre-order the

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3254
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3257
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:16,880
updated here but certainly

3258
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small town monsters is where to get all

3259
02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:20,159
of your information

3260
02:07:31,350 --> 02:07:23,760
but this is okay seth uh let's go

3261
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:34,470
i remember uh seeing this for the first

3262
02:07:38,830 --> 02:07:35,280
time it's been

3263
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:38,840
a couple of years but i remember

3264
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:41,760
uh going through my memory bank going

3265
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:43,199
wait a minute

3266
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:46,000
i saw this when i was you mean this is

3267
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:46,560
real

3268
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:49,920
right that's that was my thing and

3269
02:07:54,629 --> 02:07:53,599
and your documentary here uh stirred so

3270
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:54,639
much for me

3271
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:57,679
in in bringing up what i remember

3272
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:59,760
um and how was it for you were you

3273
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:01,280
familiar with boggy

3274
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:03,199
uh boggy creek and what was going on

3275
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:04,400
there no

3276
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:07,520
no no we i i was not

3277
02:08:10,709 --> 02:08:09,760
uh like i said i wasn't really into this

3278
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:10,719
stuff until

3279
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:14,000
till later in life so my introduction

3280
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:16,320
to the falc monster was really through

3281
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:18,639
making our boggy creek monster movie

3282
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:21,520
and and and honestly i had read lyle

3283
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:23,280
blackburn's beast of boggy creek book

3284
02:08:26,950 --> 02:08:25,199
before i ever saw the legend of buggy

3285
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:26,960
creek

3286
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:29,840
so i came at it from a different angle

3287
02:08:32,470 --> 02:08:31,440
which i think is good because we had

3288
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:32,480
lyle

3289
02:08:37,669 --> 02:08:36,239
you know very involved in the making of

3290
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:37,679
this movie i mean he was

3291
02:08:42,149 --> 02:08:40,400
helping me write it he narrated it and

3292
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:42,159
and he appeared on camera so it's sort

3293
02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:43,760
of his story and we're seeing the whole

3294
02:08:47,910 --> 02:08:45,520
thing unfold through his eyes

3295
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:47,920
and so from that perspective you've got

3296
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:48,880
this guy who

3297
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:50,880
grew up sort of obsessed with that film

3298
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:52,960
and and all that kind of stuff and so

3299
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,800
so from behind the scenes i was making a

3300
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:56,639
movie about a subject i knew very little

3301
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:57,199
about

3302
02:09:02,470 --> 02:09:00,480
outside of lyle's research and

3303
02:09:04,149 --> 02:09:02,480
what it would i you know obviously

3304
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:04,159
during the making of the movie i i

3305
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,679
finally sat down and watched the legend

3306
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:07,679
of buggy creek i actually really enjoyed

3307
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:08,719
it i've since become

3308
02:09:12,629 --> 02:09:10,880
a pretty big fan of the movie to the

3309
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:12,639
extent that when we made our

3310
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:14,880
uh momo the missouri monster movie last

3311
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:16,560
year i mean there's a lot of

3312
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:20,159
little legend of buggy creek homages

3313
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:23,280
you know throughout that that film um

3314
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:25,360
but yeah the the boggy creek monster

3315
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:27,360
story too it's one that just keeps going

3316
02:09:30,830 --> 02:09:29,599
like you don't i don't see an end in

3317
02:09:35,030 --> 02:09:30,840
sight for

3318
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:35,040
for i guess interest in the falc monster

3319
02:09:38,790 --> 02:09:37,360
and sightings still continue to this day

3320
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:38,800
and it's like

3321
02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:41,520
a lot of these monster stories um you

3322
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:42,159
know where

3323
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:44,960
where there's an initial flap and that's

3324
02:09:48,709 --> 02:09:46,000
what gains

3325
02:09:49,109 --> 02:09:48,719
the creature notoriety and then that

3326
02:09:50,629 --> 02:09:49,119
that

3327
02:09:52,709 --> 02:09:50,639
you know the media attention kind of

3328
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:52,719
goes away and people think well those

3329
02:09:55,830 --> 02:09:54,239
sightings must have stopped and then you

3330
02:09:56,390 --> 02:09:55,840
find out later oh those sightings never

3331
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:56,400
stopped

3332
02:09:59,910 --> 02:09:57,760
you know like if anything they might

3333
02:10:01,510 --> 02:09:59,920
escalate or there might be a larger

3334
02:10:02,790 --> 02:10:01,520
preponderance of reports than there

3335
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:02,800
would have been initially

3336
02:10:06,870 --> 02:10:05,280
um it seems to be that way with with a

3337
02:10:09,109 --> 02:10:06,880
lot of these creatures flatwoods

3338
02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:09,119
is like an outlier because they're you

3339
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:10,960
know it it happened one night and that's

3340
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:12,880
kind of the end of it but the the falc

3341
02:10:14,629 --> 02:10:13,440
monster

3342
02:10:16,950 --> 02:10:14,639
it's it's on the other end of the

3343
02:10:17,350 --> 02:10:16,960
spectrum from something like flatwoods

3344
02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:17,360
it's

3345
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:22,000
any number of books about it and i think

3346
02:10:24,870 --> 02:10:23,280
lyle plans to

3347
02:10:27,189 --> 02:10:24,880
and you could do any number of film

3348
02:10:29,589 --> 02:10:27,199
projects about the falc monster and and

3349
02:10:30,629 --> 02:10:29,599
delve into that topic and and never run

3350
02:10:33,350 --> 02:10:30,639
out of material

3351
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:33,360
there was um i saw the legend of boggy

3352
02:10:38,470 --> 02:10:35,040
creek at a drive-in

3353
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:38,480
with uh like 1974 or something like that

3354
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:39,199
with

3355
02:10:43,270 --> 02:10:41,280
like the last house on the left right

3356
02:10:47,189 --> 02:10:43,280
okay so we're there horror night

3357
02:10:50,870 --> 02:10:47,199
friday night at the drive-in but um i

3358
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:50,880
remember kind of laughing

3359
02:10:54,830 --> 02:10:52,880
like it seemed like almost like a

3360
02:10:58,069 --> 02:10:54,840
mockumentary

3361
02:11:01,109 --> 02:10:58,079
um uh that that was my takeaway

3362
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:01,119
uh of the film and like i said when

3363
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:04,000
when i get to your documentary on the

3364
02:11:07,350 --> 02:11:05,280
falc monster

3365
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:07,360
that that made me go back like i said

3366
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:09,119
stirred all those memories oh

3367
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:11,599
yes because there was all of this urban

3368
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:14,239
legend behind it in the 70s because of

3369
02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:16,320
the movie the legend of boggy creek

3370
02:11:20,709 --> 02:11:18,880
which now is a cult film and it's it's

3371
02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:20,719
it's a really big deal

3372
02:11:27,990 --> 02:11:24,000
but did the monster in your opinion

3373
02:11:31,109 --> 02:11:28,000
uh the fog monster did it exist

3374
02:11:33,350 --> 02:11:31,119
in my opinion um that's to ask me if

3375
02:11:35,750 --> 02:11:33,360
bigfoot exists and i'm still not 100

3376
02:11:36,950 --> 02:11:35,760
but i would say if bigfoot exists the

3377
02:11:39,990 --> 02:11:36,960
falc monster exists

3378
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:40,000
for sure because

3379
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:41,760
there's there's too many sightings the

3380
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:43,599
sightings go back too far

3381
02:11:50,629 --> 02:11:47,280
i would say of all the small town

3382
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:50,639
monsters that we've looked into the

3383
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:54,079
the sheer volume of reports of the

3384
02:11:58,229 --> 02:11:57,119
the falc monster would lead me to

3385
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:58,239
believe it exists

3386
02:12:01,750 --> 02:11:59,760
because you've got sightings going all

3387
02:12:02,709 --> 02:12:01,760
the way back to the to the very early

3388
02:12:05,350 --> 02:12:02,719
1900s

3389
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:05,360
and what's crazy is in in you know i've

3390
02:12:10,629 --> 02:12:07,119
been to falc now

3391
02:12:12,069 --> 02:12:10,639
four or five times um and that's saying

3392
02:12:13,750 --> 02:12:12,079
something considering that's kind of

3393
02:12:15,430 --> 02:12:13,760
in the middle of nowhere and i live in

3394
02:12:18,470 --> 02:12:15,440
ohio and and it's

3395
02:12:19,830 --> 02:12:18,480
uh you know 13 14 hour drive

3396
02:12:21,589 --> 02:12:19,840
sometimes when we're driving there we

3397
02:12:22,950 --> 02:12:21,599
get stuck in a tornado it takes us about

3398
02:12:25,990 --> 02:12:22,960
21 hours

3399
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:26,000
um so so i've been there a number of

3400
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:26,960
times and i've

3401
02:12:30,950 --> 02:12:29,679
i've i've sort of started to to make

3402
02:12:33,990 --> 02:12:30,960
some friendships there and

3403
02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:34,000
and and you learn things like any small

3404
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:36,159
town once you're friends with locals you

3405
02:12:40,069 --> 02:12:37,520
start to learn things

3406
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:40,079
um that they might not tell other people

3407
02:12:44,950 --> 02:12:41,280
and so certainly

3408
02:12:48,229 --> 02:12:44,960
in in formulating those friendships

3409
02:12:49,910 --> 02:12:48,239
um i've learned about a history of

3410
02:12:51,109 --> 02:12:49,920
sightings there that goes back well

3411
02:12:54,069 --> 02:12:51,119
before

3412
02:12:55,430 --> 02:12:54,079
the the regionally reported sightings of

3413
02:12:58,390 --> 02:12:55,440
the falc monster and

3414
02:13:00,390 --> 02:12:58,400
a lot of these reports are just passed

3415
02:13:01,589 --> 02:13:00,400
along from person to person generation

3416
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:01,599
to generation

3417
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:03,599
they're not necessarily reported to the

3418
02:13:06,310 --> 02:13:05,520
bfro or anything like that they're just

3419
02:13:09,510 --> 02:13:06,320
told from

3420
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:09,520
person to person and and they're

3421
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:11,280
they're fascinating like they they

3422
02:13:16,629 --> 02:13:12,960
involve sightings

3423
02:13:19,669 --> 02:13:16,639
consistent uh across decades

3424
02:13:21,030 --> 02:13:19,679
with creatures not just one creature but

3425
02:13:22,950 --> 02:13:21,040
multiple creatures

3426
02:13:24,870 --> 02:13:22,960
roaming the swamps down in southern

3427
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:24,880
arkansas um

3428
02:13:30,870 --> 02:13:28,239
young ones older ones varying you know

3429
02:13:31,430 --> 02:13:30,880
sizes attitudes all that kind of stuff

3430
02:13:33,750 --> 02:13:31,440
um

3431
02:13:34,470 --> 02:13:33,760
there seems to be something living down

3432
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:34,480
there

3433
02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:37,679
yeah and i didn't know until your

3434
02:13:43,750 --> 02:13:40,480
documentary i didn't know if it was

3435
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:43,760
uh made up for the movie right

3436
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,159
that's it it's just a guy with a camera

3437
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:48,400
and a bunch of friends around town

3438
02:13:51,430 --> 02:13:50,239
and and they made all of this up but

3439
02:13:53,669 --> 02:13:51,440
until

3440
02:13:55,750 --> 02:13:53,679
uh your docu documentary about

3441
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:55,760
everything that preceded

3442
02:13:59,830 --> 02:13:58,560
uh the making of the film in 1972 was

3443
02:14:02,870 --> 02:13:59,840
all based on

3444
02:14:03,510 --> 02:14:02,880
uh uh actual occurrences and sightings

3445
02:14:06,069 --> 02:14:03,520
it's a

3446
02:14:07,589 --> 02:14:06,079
very very good documentary yeah and

3447
02:14:09,830 --> 02:14:07,599
what's interesting about that is you

3448
02:14:11,510 --> 02:14:09,840
think 1972 because that's when the

3449
02:14:12,069 --> 02:14:11,520
legend of boggy creek came out but the

3450
02:14:15,189 --> 02:14:12,079
thing about

3451
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:15,199
that is those sightings

3452
02:14:19,189 --> 02:14:17,040
a lot of the sightings detailed in that

3453
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:19,199
movie you're talking about

3454
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:22,239
50s and 60s not 70s

3455
02:14:26,069 --> 02:14:25,760
and that alone is is eye-opening because

3456
02:14:29,109 --> 02:14:26,079
when

3457
02:14:32,229 --> 02:14:29,119
we think bigfoot um we

3458
02:14:32,870 --> 02:14:32,239
i think a lot of us think 70s uh you

3459
02:14:35,830 --> 02:14:32,880
know maybe

3460
02:14:36,950 --> 02:14:35,840
late 60s maybe patterson gimlin but but

3461
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:36,960
you don't think

3462
02:14:42,229 --> 02:14:40,400
of reports of bigfoot

3463
02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:42,239
you know bigfoot like creatures taking

3464
02:14:45,669 --> 02:14:43,920
place in the 50s and 60s but

3465
02:14:47,430 --> 02:14:45,679
but a lot of the reports detailed in the

3466
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:47,440
legend of monkey creek are from that

3467
02:14:50,629 --> 02:14:49,440
that time period and some some even

3468
02:14:52,950 --> 02:14:50,639
before that

3469
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:52,960
um and that's that's what i'm saying

3470
02:14:57,189 --> 02:14:54,000
there's there's sightings

3471
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:57,199
of bootleggers in the wood in the woods

3472
02:15:00,470 --> 02:14:59,760
you know in the 30s having run-ins with

3473
02:15:02,390 --> 02:15:00,480
with something

3474
02:15:03,910 --> 02:15:02,400
roaming around in in the swamps down

3475
02:15:05,990 --> 02:15:03,920
there yeah talk about small-town

3476
02:15:09,589 --> 02:15:06,000
monsters man falc arkansas

3477
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:09,599
there you go right there now um

3478
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:12,159
uh the minerva monster let's talk about

3479
02:15:16,069 --> 02:15:12,960
that for a second

3480
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:16,079
and and minerva uh the minerva monster

3481
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:16,480
is

3482
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:19,520
probably most of the audience uh

3483
02:15:25,350 --> 02:15:23,199
has never heard of yeah minerva is

3484
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:25,360
was our first film so we're talking five

3485
02:15:28,629 --> 02:15:27,040
years ago before i really knew anything

3486
02:15:31,510 --> 02:15:28,639
about filmmaking but

3487
02:15:33,189 --> 02:15:31,520
one thing i i knew i was interested in

3488
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:33,199
was the minerva monster and it was a

3489
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:34,639
case that i had grown up

3490
02:15:37,669 --> 02:15:36,960
being somewhat aware of even before i

3491
02:15:41,270 --> 02:15:37,679
was really

3492
02:15:43,910 --> 02:15:41,280
into bigfoot um it

3493
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:43,920
might we we lived about 20 minutes from

3494
02:15:46,550 --> 02:15:45,920
minerva we ate dinner there all the time

3495
02:15:48,310 --> 02:15:46,560
you know

3496
02:15:50,709 --> 02:15:48,320
i lived in a small town right down the

3497
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:50,719
road from minerva um

3498
02:15:55,589 --> 02:15:53,760
but you you didn't hear a lot about the

3499
02:15:58,350 --> 02:15:55,599
minerva monster and certainly the older

3500
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:58,360
i got the less you heard about it so in

3501
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:01,360
2013 i became really enamored with that

3502
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:03,119
minerva monster story and started doing

3503
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:05,920
my own i guess research into it

3504
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:09,119
um i i tracked down the

3505
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:12,560
initial police reports um basically for

3506
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:14,880
for those that don't know in 1978

3507
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:18,800
august of 1978 a family in minerva ohio

3508
02:16:21,669 --> 02:16:20,560
outside of minerva ohio which is a

3509
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:21,679
pretty small town

3510
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:25,280
in northeastern ohio um had had run-ins

3511
02:16:29,589 --> 02:16:29,199
with a hairy creature that seemed to

3512
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:29,599
live

3513
02:16:33,910 --> 02:16:32,479
on the hill behind their house it would

3514
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:33,920
it would approach their house

3515
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:36,399
there was an incident where where the

3516
02:16:38,389 --> 02:16:38,080
creature actually came up to the window

3517
02:16:43,110 --> 02:16:38,399
of

3518
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:43,120
actually pointed a gun at it through the

3519
02:16:47,110 --> 02:16:45,200
window and it walked away and

3520
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:47,120
they they called the police and the

3521
02:16:52,389 --> 02:16:48,559
police came out to investigate

3522
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:52,399
and they believed 100 that whatever the

3523
02:16:57,429 --> 02:16:54,160
family was telling them

3524
02:16:58,549 --> 02:16:57,439
must be true at least in the family's

3525
02:17:00,070 --> 02:16:58,559
eyes you know whether they were

3526
02:17:01,509 --> 02:17:00,080
misidentifying something the police

3527
02:17:02,549 --> 02:17:01,519
couldn't say but they believed that what

3528
02:17:06,309 --> 02:17:02,559
they were

3529
02:17:08,950 --> 02:17:06,319
saying was true this kicked off a string

3530
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:08,960
of events during the summer of 1978

3531
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:11,920
around minerva ohio where multiple

3532
02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:13,200
people

3533
02:17:19,429 --> 02:17:16,399
had run-ins with the same creature

3534
02:17:21,589 --> 02:17:19,439
um we we made a movie about it called

3535
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:21,599
minerva monster it was the first film we

3536
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:22,880
make we made

3537
02:17:26,150 --> 02:17:24,639
uh like i said and we we actually

3538
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:26,160
managed to get um

3539
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:28,319
howie katon who was one of the original

3540
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:30,240
witnesses he was just a boy at the time

3541
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:30,719
but

3542
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:32,399
he was one of the original witnesses we

3543
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:34,240
managed to get him on camera

3544
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:37,359
to to detail the events we tracked down

3545
02:17:42,309 --> 02:17:40,000
the um he would have been a sheriff at

3546
02:17:45,110 --> 02:17:42,319
the time but the police chief who was

3547
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:45,120
investigating the the case uh james

3548
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:47,519
shannon who actually ran into

3549
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:50,000
he was great six months ago he's great

3550
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:51,439
in the documentary great

3551
02:17:55,190 --> 02:17:53,679
yeah i just bumped into him um he

3552
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:55,200
actually went to school with my dad

3553
02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:57,359
which which is kind of weird they

3554
02:18:01,030 --> 02:18:00,000
they grew up together um and they know

3555
02:18:03,030 --> 02:18:01,040
each other

3556
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:03,040
so they did yeah they they didn't

3557
02:18:06,629 --> 02:18:04,960
realize they knew each other until

3558
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:06,639
the premiere of the movie at the canton

3559
02:18:09,110 --> 02:18:08,080
palace theater when they ran into each

3560
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:09,120
other and realized they had gone to

3561
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:11,200
school now last time we saw

3562
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:12,880
them together they actually like they

3563
02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:14,639
they they 100

3564
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:16,479
you know we're we're just excited to see

3565
02:18:20,870 --> 02:18:18,719
each other um so that's kind of a weird

3566
02:18:23,110 --> 02:18:20,880
that's very weird that's cool that's

3567
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:23,120
cool all of this uh by the way the

3568
02:18:27,110 --> 02:18:25,920
the minerva monster this is this is

3569
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:27,120
modern history

3570
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:30,800
that was like 1977 78 right in there

3571
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:33,280
it's 78 yeah the summer of 78 is when it

3572
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:34,240
all kicked off

3573
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:37,359
and that summer of 78 um is important in

3574
02:18:39,589 --> 02:18:39,120
ohio bigfoot history because there's a

3575
02:18:42,150 --> 02:18:39,599
lot

3576
02:18:43,830 --> 02:18:42,160
that took place that year um one of the

3577
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:43,840
other big

3578
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:46,479
sort of ohio cases one of the staples of

3579
02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:47,200
ohio

3580
02:18:51,669 --> 02:18:49,920
bigfoot lore was a site a series of

3581
02:18:52,230 --> 02:18:51,679
sightings that took place near mansfield

3582
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:52,240
ohio

3583
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:55,280
something called big head and and this

3584
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:56,639
is a similar creature

3585
02:18:59,349 --> 02:18:58,080
to a miner from monster but instead of

3586
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:59,359
being called something cool like

3587
02:19:01,910 --> 02:19:00,960
midderford monster they just called it

3588
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:01,920
big head

3589
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:03,200
and it was a you know similar

3590
02:19:06,309 --> 02:19:05,120
description to the minerva monster but

3591
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:06,319
have a an

3592
02:19:09,589 --> 02:19:08,399
abnormally large pumpkin shaped head

3593
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:09,599
which is actually

3594
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:12,080
it's also what they said about momo was

3595
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:13,599
it had a pumpkin shaped head

3596
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:17,200
so um that summer of 78 was a really

3597
02:19:22,389 --> 02:19:19,280
active year here in ohio

3598
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:22,399
and uh the the the minerva monster case

3599
02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:22,960
became

3600
02:19:26,389 --> 02:19:26,160
extremely popular kicked off all sorts

3601
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:26,399
of

3602
02:19:29,910 --> 02:19:28,319
national and international media

3603
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:29,920
attention um

3604
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:33,200
and and as reports sort of flooded in

3605
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:34,800
from around the

3606
02:19:40,870 --> 02:19:38,000
the uh stark and carroll counties of of

3607
02:19:42,389 --> 02:19:40,880
sightings of that creature now uh

3608
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:42,399
there's a couple of other things i want

3609
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:44,719
to talk about really quick before

3610
02:19:49,590 --> 02:19:47,200
uh a we run out of time and b i want to

3611
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:49,600
talk about the on the trail of ufos

3612
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:52,720
but uh uh the bray robe beast and

3613
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:55,200
the beast of uh everything's got monster

3614
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:57,280
or beast in the title by the way yeah

3615
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:00,319
uh for you uh the beast of whitehall

3616
02:20:04,309 --> 02:20:03,200
and uh and also the invasion on on

3617
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:04,319
chestnut ridge

3618
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:07,200
let's stay with the bray road and and

3619
02:20:11,270 --> 02:20:08,880
whitehall let's talk about those two

3620
02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:11,280
documentaries really quick

3621
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:13,280
well whitehall is my baby so that was

3622
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:14,800
the second movie i made and it was the

3623
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:16,160
first thing i shot

3624
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:19,600
um and that details uh uh sighting

3625
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,720
by three teenagers in 1976

3626
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:24,880
near the village of whitehall new york

3627
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:27,120
and actually just got to go back to

3628
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:30,240
whitehall to do some filming for a movie

3629
02:20:32,389 --> 02:20:31,600
another one of our movies coming out

3630
02:20:35,349 --> 02:20:32,399
next year called

3631
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:35,359
on the trailer bigfoot uh the journey

3632
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:35,920
which

3633
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:38,240
um yeah that this is a really

3634
02:20:42,630 --> 02:20:39,600
fascinating case because

3635
02:20:45,670 --> 02:20:42,640
because in 1976 these three kids see

3636
02:20:46,469 --> 02:20:45,680
this creature near a road called a bear

3637
02:20:49,510 --> 02:20:46,479
road

3638
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:49,520
um they flee the scene

3639
02:20:54,309 --> 02:20:53,120
in head into to white hall and report it

3640
02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:54,319
to the local police

3641
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:56,640
some of the police come out to to a bear

3642
02:21:01,510 --> 02:20:59,520
road to investigate the scene of

3643
02:21:02,790 --> 02:21:01,520
the sighting and they proceed to have

3644
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:02,800
their own encounter with

3645
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:04,319
with this creature and what you end up

3646
02:21:08,469 --> 02:21:06,560
with is 11 members of law enforcement

3647
02:21:12,150 --> 02:21:08,479
having a sighting of a bigfoot

3648
02:21:15,429 --> 02:21:12,160
um and it's it's probably one of the

3649
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:15,439
better documented bigfoot cases in

3650
02:21:19,110 --> 02:21:18,080
you know i guess in bigfoot lore um but

3651
02:21:21,510 --> 02:21:19,120
it's certainly

3652
02:21:22,870 --> 02:21:21,520
one of if not the most important case in

3653
02:21:25,830 --> 02:21:22,880
in new york's

3654
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:25,840
bigfoot history and uh it it all the

3655
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:28,000
activity was centered around that a bear

3656
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:28,720
road

3657
02:21:35,190 --> 02:21:33,280
incident was a series of events

3658
02:21:38,309 --> 02:21:35,200
that took place over the course of about

3659
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:38,319
a week in 1976 where multiple encounters

3660
02:21:45,670 --> 02:21:39,359
were

3661
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:45,680
uh bigfoot like beast again i it was uh

3662
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:47,200
something that i

3663
02:21:51,270 --> 02:21:50,160
i had never heard of before until small

3664
02:21:54,550 --> 02:21:51,280
town monsters

3665
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:54,560
and also the beast debre uh bray wrote

3666
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:55,520
the same thing

3667
02:22:02,550 --> 02:21:59,600
there um tell us about that really quick

3668
02:22:04,150 --> 02:22:02,560
yeah i did i mean in terms of our movies

3669
02:22:06,070 --> 02:22:04,160
that's one i'm really proud of

3670
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:06,080
i think it's it's really polished and

3671
02:22:08,950 --> 02:22:07,520
super creepy um

3672
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:08,960
and and it was our chance to make a

3673
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:11,280
werewolf movie

3674
02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:14,240
but yeah i mean that's i guess that's

3675
02:22:17,110 --> 02:22:16,240
kind of similar to boggy creek in that

3676
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:17,120
you've got these

3677
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:20,080
encounters with a creature that stretch

3678
02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:20,560
back

3679
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:23,200
decades and still take place today and

3680
02:22:25,990 --> 02:22:25,040
in this case instead of a bigfoot like

3681
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:26,000
creature it's a

3682
02:22:29,910 --> 02:22:29,040
it's a dog man or a werewolf and you

3683
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:29,920
know there's a lot of

3684
02:22:36,389 --> 02:22:33,200
strange aspects to the bray rhodes story

3685
02:22:38,070 --> 02:22:36,399
um you know from from possible occult

3686
02:22:40,710 --> 02:22:38,080
connections to

3687
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:40,720
um you know the idea that maybe there's

3688
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:42,240
some sort of undiscovered

3689
02:22:46,309 --> 02:22:44,640
uh species of wolf or or something

3690
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:46,319
roaming around wisconsin

3691
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:48,399
that people are encountering um it's

3692
02:22:50,630 --> 02:22:50,160
it's one of my favorite films we've made

3693
02:22:52,630 --> 02:22:50,640
i think it's

3694
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:52,640
it's a really creepy it's like the

3695
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:54,720
perfect viewing for halloween especially

3696
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:55,200
it's a

3697
02:23:00,710 --> 02:22:58,640
great documentary man and uh

3698
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:00,720
i i just encourage everybody to go and

3699
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:03,920
visit uh smalltownmonsters.com where you

3700
02:23:06,230 --> 02:23:04,640
can

3701
02:23:07,990 --> 02:23:06,240
check all of this out really quick

3702
02:23:11,349 --> 02:23:08,000
before we get to ufos

3703
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:11,359
uh invasion on chestnut ridge uh i've

3704
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,240
watched like five times

3705
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:16,479
yeah it's funny invasion on chestnut

3706
02:23:21,429 --> 02:23:18,800
ridge is the the cult

3707
02:23:23,510 --> 02:23:21,439
classic stm film it bombed when it came

3708
02:23:26,469 --> 02:23:23,520
out in 2017

3709
02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:26,479
um and then it's the movie that i hear

3710
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:27,760
the most about from

3711
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,000
people including uh in 2017 i got a

3712
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:34,319
phone call from adam wingard who's the

3713
02:23:38,070 --> 02:23:36,479
the director of the upcoming kong vs

3714
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:38,080
godzilla movie and we've since become

3715
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:39,520
pretty good friends

3716
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:41,359
uh and he he became a small town

3717
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:43,120
monsters fan because of

3718
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:47,200
that film um and yeah i've heard that

3719
02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:49,200
kind of across the the country people

3720
02:23:55,110 --> 02:23:51,280
just are really they respond to that

3721
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:55,120
bigfoot ufo thunderbird

3722
02:24:00,230 --> 02:23:58,479
weird creature paranormal phenomena

3723
02:24:01,910 --> 02:24:00,240
a cross-pollination pollination that

3724
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:01,920
happens with that film

3725
02:24:05,349 --> 02:24:04,000
i i would get to the end and start it

3726
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:05,359
over

3727
02:24:10,790 --> 02:24:08,560
yeah yeah it's uh again uh everybody

3728
02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:10,800
check that out let's get to

3729
02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:13,040
uh we've left so much on the table and

3730
02:24:16,469 --> 02:24:14,800
we didn't talk about champ and i wanted

3731
02:24:18,630 --> 02:24:16,479
to get to that so bad

3732
02:24:21,429 --> 02:24:18,640
but uh on the trail of ufos it's our

3733
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:21,439
favorite subject on this show

3734
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:25,680
uh here we go all right now first off

3735
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:29,359
um with all of the talk

3736
02:24:34,070 --> 02:24:32,000
that is going on right now in the media

3737
02:24:34,469 --> 02:24:34,080
especially over the last three years

3738
02:24:37,510 --> 02:24:34,479
right

3739
02:24:41,270 --> 02:24:37,520
new york times the nimitz the roosevelt

3740
02:24:43,990 --> 02:24:41,280
tic tac uh the senate trump is talking

3741
02:24:44,950 --> 02:24:44,000
uh ufos you've got tucker carlson every

3742
02:24:48,389 --> 02:24:44,960
single night

3743
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:48,399
on fox talking about ufos and

3744
02:24:55,110 --> 02:24:52,160
ufos have arrived but

3745
02:24:57,990 --> 02:24:55,120
here we are on the trail of ufos have

3746
02:25:00,389 --> 02:24:58,000
you uh

3747
02:25:01,270 --> 02:25:00,399
how do i say this do you believe that we

3748
02:25:04,389 --> 02:25:01,280
are

3749
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:04,399
being visited from

3750
02:25:10,389 --> 02:25:08,240
something not of this earth interstellar

3751
02:25:11,429 --> 02:25:10,399
do do i believe i don't know yet because

3752
02:25:14,469 --> 02:25:11,439
i i haven't

3753
02:25:16,150 --> 02:25:14,479
i haven't seen enough uh for myself to

3754
02:25:18,790 --> 02:25:16,160
to know one way or the other and that's

3755
02:25:21,830 --> 02:25:18,800
kind of the the impetus for the series

3756
02:25:23,590 --> 02:25:21,840
um the the series is as much about us

3757
02:25:24,070 --> 02:25:23,600
trying to actually have some sort of

3758
02:25:26,469 --> 02:25:24,080
experience

3759
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:26,479
as it is about you know going out and

3760
02:25:30,950 --> 02:25:27,920
documenting the history it's

3761
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:30,960
on the trail of is all about it's

3762
02:25:35,110 --> 02:25:33,120
it's all in the title on the trail of is

3763
02:25:37,429 --> 02:25:35,120
about actually going out and trying to

3764
02:25:39,270 --> 02:25:37,439
have an encounter you know our films are

3765
02:25:41,190 --> 02:25:39,280
are very much about documenting these

3766
02:25:43,990 --> 02:25:41,200
stories and telling cinematic

3767
02:25:45,990 --> 02:25:44,000
you know creepy uh monster legends on

3768
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:46,000
the trail of is much more about

3769
02:25:49,030 --> 02:25:48,240
let's go put ourselves in the path of

3770
02:25:50,710 --> 02:25:49,040
something

3771
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:50,720
and potentially having an encounter for

3772
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:52,240
ourselves while also

3773
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:54,479
doing some of that you know documentary

3774
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:56,000
work that we're known for

3775
02:25:59,429 --> 02:25:57,920
um so so we're actually we haven't

3776
02:26:02,309 --> 02:25:59,439
announced this anywhere either

3777
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:02,319
but we're we're going to be filming on

3778
02:26:06,550 --> 02:26:03,200
the trail of

3779
02:26:09,270 --> 02:26:06,560
uh ufos uh season two starting

3780
02:26:10,630 --> 02:26:09,280
in uh november and that'll be split into

3781
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:10,640
two films called

3782
02:26:18,070 --> 02:26:14,640
uh the dark sky and night visitors

3783
02:26:21,510 --> 02:26:18,080
so there's there's i don't know

3784
02:26:21,830 --> 02:26:21,520
is is the really frank you know i can

3785
02:26:26,870 --> 02:26:21,840
take

3786
02:26:28,630 --> 02:26:26,880
the gear

3787
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:28,640
i can take you out to a couple of

3788
02:26:34,309 --> 02:26:30,479
specific locations

3789
02:26:35,349 --> 02:26:34,319
and i guarantee you'll see your first

3790
02:26:37,910 --> 02:26:35,359
ufo

3791
02:26:38,870 --> 02:26:37,920
something that will change your life

3792
02:26:42,550 --> 02:26:38,880
yeah

3793
02:26:44,790 --> 02:26:42,560
mean

3794
02:26:46,309 --> 02:26:44,800
like if if if that's a if that's

3795
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:46,319
possibility we should we should try to

3796
02:26:49,910 --> 02:26:48,000
get that together because

3797
02:26:51,349 --> 02:26:49,920
it's it's what we're doing is is

3798
02:26:53,349 --> 02:26:51,359
attempting to actually

3799
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:53,359
get to the bottom of some of this stuff

3800
02:26:58,870 --> 02:26:55,600
for ourselves i have uh

3801
02:27:01,670 --> 02:26:58,880
i've been in the position seth with with

3802
02:27:02,150 --> 02:27:01,680
uh dozens up to hundreds of people

3803
02:27:05,510 --> 02:27:02,160
around

3804
02:27:06,230 --> 02:27:05,520
me uh multiple when i say multiple

3805
02:27:07,590 --> 02:27:06,240
witnesses

3806
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:07,600
you know i'm talking about a large group

3807
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:10,240
of people where things have gone

3808
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:13,920
down that you absolutely

3809
02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:17,520
cannot explain absolutely cannot

3810
02:27:24,469 --> 02:27:21,200
one i've got 200 people with me seth

3811
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:24,479
and this giant green

3812
02:27:31,910 --> 02:27:28,960
chrome ball surface ground level

3813
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:31,920
ground level it's a mile away skimming

3814
02:27:36,230 --> 02:27:33,439
across the desert

3815
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:36,240
uh yeah just i don't know a few hundred

3816
02:27:39,990 --> 02:27:37,439
feet off the ground

3817
02:27:41,429 --> 02:27:40,000
it's big it's about a mile away we're

3818
02:27:42,230 --> 02:27:41,439
all looking at it we're hooping and

3819
02:27:44,550 --> 02:27:42,240
hollering

3820
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:44,560
skims across the desert from our left to

3821
02:27:50,070 --> 02:27:47,040
right kind of moving away from us

3822
02:27:53,670 --> 02:27:50,080
and then turns up

3823
02:27:57,510 --> 02:27:53,680
and then continues now imagine

3824
02:28:00,230 --> 02:27:57,520
going across the desert right

3825
02:28:00,790 --> 02:28:00,240
vertical or horizontal and then just

3826
02:28:03,910 --> 02:28:00,800
turns

3827
02:28:06,950 --> 02:28:03,920
up and it took about five minutes

3828
02:28:10,469 --> 02:28:06,960
and it just like a rocket went

3829
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:10,479
up and turned into a star

3830
02:28:13,910 --> 02:28:12,479
right in front of it is like the

3831
02:28:18,070 --> 02:28:13,920
craziest thing

3832
02:28:20,150 --> 02:28:18,080
you have ever seen and it made no sense

3833
02:28:22,469 --> 02:28:20,160
and you see something like that

3834
02:28:24,070 --> 02:28:22,479
especially for the first time for me

3835
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:24,080
seeing something like that and you just

3836
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:25,359
walk away going you know what there's

3837
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:26,000
some things that

3838
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:28,960
are just not explained on this planet

3839
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:30,000
yeah you know one thing

3840
02:28:33,510 --> 02:28:32,080
one thing i want to mention before we we

3841
02:28:36,150 --> 02:28:33,520
start to wrap up or whatever but

3842
02:28:38,790 --> 02:28:36,160
what you just told us that that your

3843
02:28:40,950 --> 02:28:38,800
story is what we're in danger of losing

3844
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:40,960
you know it when we're talking about all

3845
02:28:44,550 --> 02:28:42,399
this government

3846
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:44,560
hoopla and and media circus that

3847
02:28:49,910 --> 02:28:46,240
surrounds ufos

3848
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:49,920
what were what we risk um

3849
02:28:53,429 --> 02:28:51,600
losing sight of are the actual witness

3850
02:28:55,349 --> 02:28:53,439
stories and and

3851
02:28:56,870 --> 02:28:55,359
people get their sights set on all this

3852
02:28:57,349 --> 02:28:56,880
disclosure stuff and all that kind of

3853
02:28:59,830 --> 02:28:57,359
stuff

3854
02:29:01,110 --> 02:28:59,840
and and they they lose track of the

3855
02:29:04,469 --> 02:29:01,120
important thing

3856
02:29:05,510 --> 02:29:04,479
which is the people and and the stories

3857
02:29:07,429 --> 02:29:05,520
that they have to tell

3858
02:29:09,510 --> 02:29:07,439
about this kind of stuff so you know

3859
02:29:09,750 --> 02:29:09,520
like that's on the on the trail of ufos

3860
02:29:12,710 --> 02:29:09,760
is

3861
02:29:13,349 --> 02:29:12,720
those that's a big part of what what

3862
02:29:14,870 --> 02:29:13,359
that's about

3863
02:29:16,790 --> 02:29:14,880
you know you're capturing these these

3864
02:29:17,670 --> 02:29:16,800
eyewitness stories you're spot on the

3865
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:17,680
money

3866
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:21,120
and and look uh navy pilots

3867
02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:23,120
and their their eyewitness testimony

3868
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:24,880
what they've seen and whatever and

3869
02:29:28,710 --> 02:29:27,520
that's important you know there's no

3870
02:29:32,150 --> 02:29:28,720
questioning that

3871
02:29:34,630 --> 02:29:32,160
but we cannot uh get away from

3872
02:29:36,710 --> 02:29:34,640
the millions of witnesses that are just

3873
02:29:39,670 --> 02:29:36,720
as credible as any navy pilot

3874
02:29:40,230 --> 02:29:39,680
like myself and others you know and

3875
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:40,240
those

3876
02:29:44,389 --> 02:29:42,880
100 or 200 people that were around me

3877
02:29:47,830 --> 02:29:44,399
that day on the edge of the cliff

3878
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:47,840
watching this thing what they witnessed

3879
02:29:51,750 --> 02:29:50,800
is important and i will not stop

3880
02:29:53,429 --> 02:29:51,760
speaking about it

3881
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:53,439
it was incredible it was just a

3882
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:55,040
wonderful night seth

3883
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:56,800
what a great conversation man i'm

3884
02:30:01,830 --> 02:29:58,319
excited for you

3885
02:30:02,469 --> 02:30:01,840
october 20th uh you're you're about to

3886
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:02,479
uh

3887
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:08,240
monsters to a whole other situation

3888
02:30:11,910 --> 02:30:11,280
man and and and congratulations yeah

3889
02:30:15,910 --> 02:30:11,920
thanks for

3890
02:30:17,750 --> 02:30:15,920
watching our stuff i mean that's

3891
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:17,760
that's the the biggest support we can

3892
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:19,280
get is someone telling us they

3893
02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:22,399
they love what we do so i've seen it all

3894
02:30:25,750 --> 02:30:24,880
thank you so much seth and my best to

3895
02:30:28,630 --> 02:30:25,760
everybody stay

3896
02:30:30,309 --> 02:30:28,640
safe for the rest of 2020 and i look

3897
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:30,319
forward to our next conversation here on

3898
02:30:35,190 --> 02:30:32,720
fade to black thanks for having me

3899
02:30:36,230 --> 02:30:35,200
all the best thank you so much seth reid

3900
02:30:40,230 --> 02:30:36,240
love and

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it is very simple smalltownmonsters.com

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the links are over at

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to take a quick break i'll come back

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hey what up y'all should go biblical fox

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welcome back fade to black

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i'm your host jimmy church you can

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

3991
02:35:09,270 --> 02:35:06,240
and uh wow what a conversation

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02:35:11,910 --> 02:35:09,280
self read love i have been a fan of

3993
02:35:12,550 --> 02:35:11,920
small town monsters uh since the

3994
02:35:15,750 --> 02:35:12,560
beginning

3995
02:35:20,389 --> 02:35:15,760
and i remember uh

3996
02:35:22,150 --> 02:35:20,399
and it was probably on netflix or amazon

3997
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:22,160
and clicking through maybe it was

3998
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through an app back then

3999
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:26,800
but nonetheless uh i come across the

4000
02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:27,439
series

4001
02:35:35,510 --> 02:35:31,600
and and at that time uh there was a

4002
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:35,520
three or four uh documentaries out

4003
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:37,359
went through and watched them all and

4004
02:35:41,510 --> 02:35:38,720
continued

4005
02:35:42,070 --> 02:35:41,520
uh to follow seth over the years his

4006
02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:42,080
stuff

4007
02:35:45,590 --> 02:35:44,800
is just remarkable and if you haven't

4008
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:45,600
watched

4009
02:35:52,389 --> 02:35:48,640
i would suggest uh uh

4010
02:35:54,550 --> 02:35:52,399
for everybody uh in my own weird way

4011
02:35:56,790 --> 02:35:54,560
uh but i did it tonight start with

4012
02:35:59,750 --> 02:35:56,800
flatwoods

4013
02:36:01,190 --> 02:35:59,760
start there and then go back the minerva

4014
02:36:04,550 --> 02:36:01,200
monster

4015
02:36:07,670 --> 02:36:04,560
that is a great documentary

4016
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:07,680
that is just spot on and it's a case

4017
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:10,000
that you probably have never heard of

4018
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:12,960
i didn't until i saw the documentary but

4019
02:36:17,349 --> 02:36:14,240
uh the beast of whitehall

4020
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:17,359
oh man man man

4021
02:36:22,070 --> 02:36:19,760
and of course of the boggy creek monster

4022
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:22,080
which for me i grew up with with

4023
02:36:27,270 --> 02:36:25,520
that i remember seeing uh the legend of

4024
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:27,280
boggy creek when i was a kid i was

4025
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:28,800
little i was probably

4026
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:31,200
10 or 11 years old when i saw the

4027
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original film

4028
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:37,160
uh but yeah go back visit uh

4029
02:36:40,710 --> 02:36:39,200
smalltownmonsters.com and you can check

4030
02:36:42,389 --> 02:36:40,720
everything out right there

4031
02:36:43,990 --> 02:36:42,399
uh we didn't get a chance to get to the

4032
02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:44,000
bell which we did a lot of uh

4033
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:46,720
conversation tonight about bigfoot uh

4034
02:36:49,750 --> 02:36:47,040
but

4035
02:36:50,309 --> 02:36:49,760
uh very excited about uh the bell witch

4036
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:50,319
uh

4037
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coming

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uh later on this year too as well and of

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course the mothman legacy which

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premieres

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on october 20th all right i have opened

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747-228-2051

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open lines right now and uh there you go

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i have cooked we are good 747 two two

4045
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eight two zero five

4046
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one um i remember i wanted to go back i

4047
02:37:28,550 --> 02:37:24,240
started

4048
02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:28,560
i i'm getting into my memory bank here

4049
02:37:34,070 --> 02:37:32,160
um i remember

4050
02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:34,080
uh and it's kind of a weird story

4051
02:37:38,309 --> 02:37:35,280
because back in

4052
02:37:41,670 --> 02:37:38,319
1973 1974

4053
02:37:42,950 --> 02:37:41,680
um i had two stepbrothers at that time

4054
02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:42,960
my dad was married

4055
02:37:49,830 --> 02:37:46,640
in a very brief period to a woman uh

4056
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:49,840
and she had uh two sons uh

4057
02:37:53,670 --> 02:37:52,240
david and bobby they were my step

4058
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:53,680
brothers for a couple of years and then

4059
02:38:00,389 --> 02:37:56,479
they got divorced okay but anyway

4060
02:38:03,510 --> 02:38:00,399
uh david i think with the both of them

4061
02:38:08,230 --> 02:38:03,520
uh dave and bobby got into bird watching

4062
02:38:11,990 --> 02:38:08,240
now in 1974 and 1975

4063
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:12,000
in indiana and illinois this whole

4064
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:15,840
giant bird thing in sightings

4065
02:38:23,110 --> 02:38:19,680
was all over the place it was crazy

4066
02:38:25,750 --> 02:38:23,120
and we went out uh a couple of times and

4067
02:38:29,429 --> 02:38:25,760
i think david

4068
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:29,439
came back and said that he had seen

4069
02:38:33,990 --> 02:38:32,160
a thunderbird right and tells us this

4070
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:34,000
story and he's got his binoculars and

4071
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:34,960
things

4072
02:38:38,950 --> 02:38:37,280
and tells us the story takes us out into

4073
02:38:41,349 --> 02:38:38,960
this cornfield

4074
02:38:44,150 --> 02:38:41,359
uh next to our house and we walked way

4075
02:38:46,550 --> 02:38:44,160
out to where this clump of trees was

4076
02:38:47,429 --> 02:38:46,560
and and he said there it is and i

4077
02:38:50,710 --> 02:38:47,439
remember

4078
02:38:55,349 --> 02:38:50,720
looking up and seeing

4079
02:38:57,990 --> 02:38:55,359
a pretty big bird but it wasn't

4080
02:38:58,790 --> 02:38:58,000
it wasn't what i thought and he and i

4081
02:39:02,150 --> 02:38:58,800
remember him

4082
02:39:04,550 --> 02:39:02,160
trying to convince uh bobby and i that

4083
02:39:06,710 --> 02:39:04,560
that was like a 10-foot wingspan

4084
02:39:08,070 --> 02:39:06,720
and we were looking now this is what i

4085
02:39:10,550 --> 02:39:08,080
remember

4086
02:39:11,510 --> 02:39:10,560
in the story but this was part of what

4087
02:39:13,590 --> 02:39:11,520
was going on

4088
02:39:15,270 --> 02:39:13,600
in indiana and illinois back then these

4089
02:39:19,270 --> 02:39:15,280
sightings were all over the place

4090
02:39:22,630 --> 02:39:19,280
they were on the news and i remember

4091
02:39:26,550 --> 02:39:22,640
this bird being white with

4092
02:39:29,750 --> 02:39:26,560
a black or gray tips on the feathers

4093
02:39:31,510 --> 02:39:29,760
and the wingspan was out but it wasn't a

4094
02:39:33,590 --> 02:39:31,520
thunderbird

4095
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:33,600
but it just kind of stuck with me and we

4096
02:39:36,550 --> 02:39:34,960
looked at i looked at it in the

4097
02:39:39,190 --> 02:39:36,560
binoculars and it was

4098
02:39:41,030 --> 02:39:39,200
circling up it was by itself i have no

4099
02:39:44,309 --> 02:39:41,040
idea about the size

4100
02:39:47,429 --> 02:39:44,319
i have no idea um but it wasn't

4101
02:39:50,230 --> 02:39:47,439
like what was reported in the news

4102
02:39:50,790 --> 02:39:50,240
there was a story that was circulating

4103
02:39:54,309 --> 02:39:50,800
back then

4104
02:39:57,429 --> 02:39:54,319
seth brought this up that one of these

4105
02:40:01,190 --> 02:39:57,439
giant birds had picked up a boy

4106
02:40:04,790 --> 02:40:01,200
i remember the whole story it was like

4107
02:40:06,630 --> 02:40:04,800
a rumor central with this and and people

4108
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:06,640
were talking about it

4109
02:40:13,349 --> 02:40:10,000
what i was looking at wasn't picking any

4110
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:13,359
anything up and i and uh no i don't

4111
02:40:16,790 --> 02:40:14,800
think i saw thunderbird

4112
02:40:18,550 --> 02:40:16,800
but i was taken out by my brother into

4113
02:40:20,550 --> 02:40:18,560
the cornfields to go and see what

4114
02:40:21,910 --> 02:40:20,560
but he had come home with this

4115
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:21,920
sensational story

4116
02:40:29,269 --> 02:40:25,840
all right 747-228-2051

4117
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:29,279
and uh i can't man let me uh

4118
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:32,880
i am going to uh

4119
02:40:38,710 --> 02:40:36,800
uh let me i'm gonna restart

4120
02:40:40,630 --> 02:40:38,720
i'm gonna restart i don't like the way

4121
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:40,640
this is looking right now

4122
02:40:45,670 --> 02:40:43,680
you don't mind uh there you go now on

4123
02:40:48,790 --> 02:40:45,680
the trail of ufos

4124
02:40:49,349 --> 02:40:48,800
i think that's uh uh a pretty good way

4125
02:40:52,389 --> 02:40:49,359
to go

4126
02:40:56,710 --> 02:40:52,399
where these days okay hold

4127
02:41:01,349 --> 02:40:56,720
on a minute oh

4128
02:41:03,110 --> 02:41:01,359
oh no i think i just messed up

4129
02:41:05,910 --> 02:41:03,120
i got to do this in real time hello

4130
02:41:14,469 --> 02:41:10,150
uh okay

4131
02:41:20,550 --> 02:41:14,479
let's see ha

4132
02:41:20,560 --> 02:41:28,830
i'm i'm trying oh jeez

4133
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:30,550
uh-oh

4134
02:41:41,429 --> 02:41:34,960
uh oh rita i blew it

4135
02:41:41,439 --> 02:41:54,150
uh oh

4136
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:56,389
for a minute there i thought i forgot my

4137
02:42:04,790 --> 02:41:59,040
password okay i rebooted

4138
02:42:16,950 --> 02:42:13,269
oh no hey reed

4139
02:42:19,990 --> 02:42:16,960
oh no i think i

4140
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:20,000
just signed out oh man i

4141
02:42:24,469 --> 02:42:23,120
am going to have to uh i'm gonna have to

4142
02:42:28,150 --> 02:42:24,479
take a commercial break

4143
02:42:31,269 --> 02:42:28,160
and and come back i think i

4144
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:31,279
blew it yeah

4145
02:42:35,990 --> 02:42:34,080
uh i'm gonna take a commercial break i

4146
02:42:37,349 --> 02:42:36,000
blew it i blew it i shut down the phone

4147
02:42:39,110 --> 02:42:37,359
system i'm gonna take a break i'll be

4148
02:42:42,389 --> 02:42:39,120
right back this is fade to black

4149
02:42:43,110 --> 02:42:42,399
i am your host jimmy church i apologize

4150
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:43,120
for that

4151
02:42:48,070 --> 02:42:46,720
but i got to take a break i'll fix it

4152
02:43:18,790 --> 02:42:48,080
and i'll be right back with your phone

4153
02:43:23,110 --> 02:43:21,190
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

4154
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:23,120
you are listening to my boy

4155
02:43:35,269 --> 02:43:31,590
despite popular opinion reading a book

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4232
02:46:57,840 --> 02:47:03,750
all right welcome back fade to black

4233
02:47:07,429 --> 02:47:06,230
i don't know if i have phones people i'm

4234
02:47:11,910 --> 02:47:07,439
trying

4235
02:47:14,230 --> 02:47:11,920
this happen

4236
02:47:15,110 --> 02:47:14,240
and uh i've reset everything it's still

4237
02:47:18,630 --> 02:47:15,120
loading in

4238
02:47:21,910 --> 02:47:18,640
and and this is a phone bank

4239
02:47:23,670 --> 02:47:21,920
and that is the issue and i made the

4240
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:23,680
mistake of resetting it

4241
02:47:27,670 --> 02:47:26,160
so there you go and this is live on the

4242
02:47:29,269 --> 02:47:27,680
air this is something that is just

4243
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:29,279
always there and

4244
02:47:34,469 --> 02:47:31,439
and uh for some reason this particular

4245
02:47:36,550 --> 02:47:34,479
time it decided to uh reset a password

4246
02:47:38,309 --> 02:47:36,560
so there you go and i'm just sitting

4247
02:47:41,590 --> 02:47:38,319
here it says

4248
02:47:44,150 --> 02:47:41,600
loading i am

4249
02:47:44,710 --> 02:47:44,160
loading unbelievable man i cannot

4250
02:47:48,150 --> 02:47:44,720
believe i

4251
02:47:51,190 --> 02:47:48,160
did this uh okay uh

4252
02:47:54,230 --> 02:47:51,200
uh uh uh uh uh uh okay

4253
02:47:57,269 --> 02:47:54,240
well no oh two

4254
02:48:02,389 --> 02:48:00,950
um i wanna take some phone calls can't

4255
02:48:08,790 --> 02:48:02,399
do it

4256
02:48:08,800 --> 02:48:14,830
come on come on come on i see if i got

4257
02:48:14,840 --> 02:48:18,070
lucky

4258
02:48:40,230 --> 02:48:21,510
let's see if this happens

4259
02:48:43,990 --> 02:48:42,230
stuff like this happens from time to

4260
02:48:47,830 --> 02:48:44,000
time i'll have to get back and work

4261
02:48:51,110 --> 02:48:47,840
on this tomorrow oh man

4262
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:51,120
that's a drag um one of the uh

4263
02:48:54,950 --> 02:48:53,359
let's just get back to it if you got any

4264
02:48:55,590 --> 02:48:54,960
questions you can post it right up there

4265
02:48:57,510 --> 02:48:55,600
on twitter

4266
02:48:58,790 --> 02:48:57,520
i appreciate all of the humor that's

4267
02:49:02,870 --> 02:48:58,800
going around and

4268
02:49:06,469 --> 02:49:02,880
and you guys are enjoying me

4269
02:49:09,190 --> 02:49:06,479
uh watching me go through this um

4270
02:49:13,030 --> 02:49:09,200
uh no i'm not giving that out on the air

4271
02:49:16,469 --> 02:49:13,040
what's my cell phone number please

4272
02:49:17,030 --> 02:49:16,479
please and this is the other thing i had

4273
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:17,040
a uh

4274
02:49:21,510 --> 02:49:19,359
remember the other night i was telling

4275
02:49:24,630 --> 02:49:21,520
you about uh the ssd drive

4276
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:24,640
and and the ram and things that i i did

4277
02:49:27,990 --> 02:49:26,080
with the new computer right

4278
02:49:29,910 --> 02:49:28,000
so all that's fantastic and it's running

4279
02:49:32,469 --> 02:49:29,920
great and it's beautiful

4280
02:49:34,150 --> 02:49:32,479
one of the things that i didn't install

4281
02:49:36,230 --> 02:49:34,160
which i always had a backup

4282
02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:36,240
was our phone system and screening

4283
02:49:39,590 --> 02:49:38,560
system on the second computer i always

4284
02:49:41,269 --> 02:49:39,600
had it and they were running

4285
02:49:44,389 --> 02:49:41,279
simultaneously and i could

4286
02:49:45,910 --> 02:49:44,399
juggle and and i didn't do it on the new

4287
02:49:48,150 --> 02:49:45,920
computer

4288
02:49:49,269 --> 02:49:48,160
i didn't do it and normally would be

4289
02:49:51,269 --> 02:49:49,279
here um

4290
02:49:53,030 --> 02:49:51,279
rita just came running in what you know

4291
02:49:56,150 --> 02:49:53,040
i said i didn't install it

4292
02:50:00,870 --> 02:49:56,160
over here so here i go all right

4293
02:50:02,950 --> 02:50:00,880
uh super quick spontaneous twitter ama

4294
02:50:04,710 --> 02:50:02,960
yeah absolutely i'll take questions on

4295
02:50:08,309 --> 02:50:04,720
twitter let's go

4296
02:50:08,790 --> 02:50:08,319
right now questions on twitter super

4297
02:50:12,070 --> 02:50:08,800
quick

4298
02:50:13,750 --> 02:50:12,080
ama on twitter yeah let's do that and

4299
02:50:15,590 --> 02:50:13,760
uh we'll wrap up the show but i can't

4300
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:15,600
believe it

4301
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:20,160
issue i've never had live on the air

4302
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:23,200
okay yeah super spontane i second the

4303
02:50:27,750 --> 02:50:25,200
idea you play guitar live

4304
02:50:28,870 --> 02:50:27,760
right now until the show ends that's

4305
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:28,880
funny

4306
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:36,550
i don't have uh the flame guitar isn't

4307
02:50:42,230 --> 02:50:38,720
in here right now but i just got a new

4308
02:50:44,790 --> 02:50:42,240
angle guitar cable for the flame guitar

4309
02:50:47,429 --> 02:50:44,800
and uh that's sitting right here maybe

4310
02:50:51,510 --> 02:50:47,439
next time

4311
02:50:54,550 --> 02:50:51,520
uh duck unrelated histrionics

4312
02:50:57,510 --> 02:50:54,560
duh for short oh that's funny

4313
02:50:59,990 --> 02:50:57,520
uh anyone said that it's the equinox

4314
02:51:04,230 --> 02:51:00,000
today is it the equinox

4315
02:51:08,469 --> 02:51:04,240
is that today the 22nd

4316
02:51:12,389 --> 02:51:08,479
no was that today what a weird day

4317
02:51:13,030 --> 02:51:12,399
it was a fun day by the way what a weird

4318
02:51:14,710 --> 02:51:13,040
day this

4319
02:51:16,870 --> 02:51:14,720
is this is pretty interesting too for

4320
02:51:19,269 --> 02:51:16,880
the 1300th show

4321
02:51:19,990 --> 02:51:19,279
and i went through a rambling dialogue

4322
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:20,000
about

4323
02:51:24,389 --> 02:51:22,240
being professional and and what it takes

4324
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:24,399
to put on a show like this

4325
02:51:31,030 --> 02:51:27,840
and and i and i blow the phone system

4326
02:51:34,150 --> 02:51:31,040
and it shuts down um i've

4327
02:51:36,710 --> 02:51:34,160
yeah yeah

4328
02:51:39,429 --> 02:51:36,720
uh it's happened on other shows too with

4329
02:51:42,710 --> 02:51:39,439
me too as well it seems that uh

4330
02:51:44,870 --> 02:51:42,720
what is my favorite gemstone

4331
02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:44,880
when will you be able to take skype

4332
02:51:49,590 --> 02:51:46,399
calls

4333
02:51:51,910 --> 02:51:49,600
uh all of that um

4334
02:51:52,950 --> 02:51:51,920
that's kind of uh it's kind of a funny

4335
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:52,960
question

4336
02:51:58,830 --> 02:51:56,640
um skype back in the day

4337
02:52:00,230 --> 02:51:58,840
back in the day skype had a different

4338
02:52:03,670 --> 02:52:00,240
interface

4339
02:52:06,790 --> 02:52:03,680
and i would always have the backup to

4340
02:52:09,910 --> 02:52:06,800
the old version of skype for the install

4341
02:52:11,510 --> 02:52:09,920
because now check this out microsoft

4342
02:52:14,550 --> 02:52:11,520
blew it

4343
02:52:18,790 --> 02:52:14,560
the old version of skype

4344
02:52:21,269 --> 02:52:18,800
you had this fully uh customizable

4345
02:52:23,190 --> 02:52:21,279
interface and you could do a couple of

4346
02:52:26,710 --> 02:52:23,200
things which for broadcast

4347
02:52:30,630 --> 02:52:26,720
were key and you could turn

4348
02:52:33,030 --> 02:52:30,640
off ringtones turn it off no ringtones

4349
02:52:34,950 --> 02:52:33,040
you wouldn't hear skype ring you would

4350
02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:34,960
see it light up

4351
02:52:38,150 --> 02:52:37,600
but you would have no ringtones so what

4352
02:52:42,230 --> 02:52:38,160
that would

4353
02:52:45,510 --> 02:52:42,240
enable you to do uh for broadcast

4354
02:52:47,510 --> 02:52:45,520
is uh because i'm running uh two or

4355
02:52:51,269 --> 02:52:47,520
three channels or four channels

4356
02:52:54,389 --> 02:52:51,279
faders of phone calls okay

4357
02:52:58,309 --> 02:52:54,399
you don't wanna have people on hold

4358
02:53:01,190 --> 02:52:58,319
and then in their uh phone

4359
02:53:02,870 --> 02:53:01,200
listening to calls ring and come in you

4360
02:53:03,750 --> 02:53:02,880
don't want that in fact you want total

4361
02:53:06,230 --> 02:53:03,760
silence

4362
02:53:07,349 --> 02:53:06,240
and if i'm talking to somebody live on

4363
02:53:10,070 --> 02:53:07,359
the air

4364
02:53:11,990 --> 02:53:10,080
you don't want to have them and it could

4365
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:12,000
be an interview it could be a guest or

4366
02:53:17,349 --> 02:53:13,920
it could be another caller

4367
02:53:20,790 --> 02:53:17,359
talking to me and then they hear in

4368
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:20,800
the talk back skype calls

4369
02:53:23,990 --> 02:53:23,600
you don't want that so if you can turn

4370
02:53:26,870 --> 02:53:24,000
off

4371
02:53:27,269 --> 02:53:26,880
call ringing they won't hear it ring i

4372
02:53:30,710 --> 02:53:27,279
could

4373
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:30,720
the call on hold

4374
02:53:34,230 --> 02:53:32,319
and that caller when they're on hold

4375
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:34,240
they're listening to the show

4376
02:53:40,150 --> 02:53:37,920
in in their headphones or on their phone

4377
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:40,160
which is what you want

4378
02:53:47,590 --> 02:53:43,920
one day skype did an update

4379
02:53:48,950 --> 02:53:47,600
and it was automatic and it was this new

4380
02:53:50,230 --> 02:53:48,960
interface

4381
02:53:53,030 --> 02:53:50,240
and i'm looking and i'm thinking man

4382
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:53,040
that's funky so you go and you go into

4383
02:53:56,710 --> 02:53:53,520
settings

4384
02:53:59,910 --> 02:53:56,720
and all of those total customizable

4385
02:54:03,190 --> 02:53:59,920
situations were gone so i was

4386
02:54:04,070 --> 02:54:03,200
able to go back install the old version

4387
02:54:07,670 --> 02:54:04,080
of skype

4388
02:54:10,389 --> 02:54:07,680
get rid of what was just installed

4389
02:54:11,510 --> 02:54:10,399
and i did this and i did this for about

4390
02:54:13,990 --> 02:54:11,520
a year

4391
02:54:16,070 --> 02:54:14,000
in that microsoft would update your

4392
02:54:17,830 --> 02:54:16,080
version of skype automatically when they

4393
02:54:19,830 --> 02:54:17,840
did it i would uninstall it

4394
02:54:20,950 --> 02:54:19,840
install the older version of it and that

4395
02:54:23,990 --> 02:54:20,960
would run for like

4396
02:54:25,110 --> 02:54:24,000
two or three weeks until like microsoft

4397
02:54:27,269 --> 02:54:25,120
catches you

4398
02:54:28,870 --> 02:54:27,279
and it would install and anybody that

4399
02:54:30,230 --> 02:54:28,880
went through skype back then this is

4400
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:30,240
like two three years ago

4401
02:54:34,309 --> 02:54:32,720
knows exactly what i'm talking about and

4402
02:54:35,269 --> 02:54:34,319
you were stuck with the new version of

4403
02:54:40,150 --> 02:54:35,279
skype

4404
02:54:45,670 --> 02:54:43,590
microsoft nipped all that in the bud you

4405
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:45,680
you couldn't install the old version of

4406
02:54:48,469 --> 02:54:47,760
skype into microsoft windows it wouldn't

4407
02:54:50,550 --> 02:54:48,479
accept it

4408
02:54:52,070 --> 02:54:50,560
couldn't do it you were stuck with the

4409
02:54:55,429 --> 02:54:52,080
new version of skype

4410
02:55:00,070 --> 02:54:55,439
which i still have but i don't use it

4411
02:55:02,309 --> 02:55:00,080
and i don't use it because it rings

4412
02:55:03,269 --> 02:55:02,319
right so i've got all of that shut off i

4413
02:55:07,429 --> 02:55:03,279
have a new

4414
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:07,439
another uh jimmychurchradio.com skype

4415
02:55:10,309 --> 02:55:08,399
account

4416
02:55:12,230 --> 02:55:10,319
that doesn't have any phone numbers tied

4417
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:12,240
to it and it won't ring

4418
02:55:16,710 --> 02:55:15,359
and that's what i use the other versions

4419
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:16,720
of skype i don't even

4420
02:55:21,349 --> 02:55:19,279
i don't even turn them on i'll use them

4421
02:55:24,469 --> 02:55:21,359
for outgoing calls only

4422
02:55:25,910 --> 02:55:24,479
this is uh it was it was miserable

4423
02:55:27,830 --> 02:55:25,920
then we got the new phone system

4424
02:55:28,630 --> 02:55:27,840
installed and we've been happy with that

4425
02:55:30,790 --> 02:55:28,640
ever since

4426
02:55:31,750 --> 02:55:30,800
it's great except for like a moment like

4427
02:55:33,990 --> 02:55:31,760
this

4428
02:55:35,190 --> 02:55:34,000
when suddenly it goes for a password

4429
02:55:38,630 --> 02:55:35,200
reset

4430
02:55:39,429 --> 02:55:38,640
and now i'm logged in and it is saying

4431
02:55:43,110 --> 02:55:39,439
to me

4432
02:55:45,349 --> 02:55:43,120
that i'm not logged in even though i am

4433
02:55:46,550 --> 02:55:45,359
so that's a that's a little bit funky i

4434
02:55:49,510 --> 02:55:46,560
don't have a phone screen

4435
02:55:50,389 --> 02:55:49,520
i don't have uh all of the uh what's the

4436
02:55:52,790 --> 02:55:50,399
word the uh

4437
02:55:54,710 --> 02:55:52,800
the lines in front of me where people

4438
02:55:55,830 --> 02:55:54,720
call in and i can answer it screen it

4439
02:55:59,830 --> 02:55:55,840
and do all of that stuff

4440
02:56:01,750 --> 02:55:59,840
can't do it can't do it okay let's see

4441
02:56:02,870 --> 02:56:01,760
yeah the whole skype situation was

4442
02:56:05,990 --> 02:56:02,880
frustrating nightmare

4443
02:56:06,790 --> 02:56:06,000
still is too as well they make a new

4444
02:56:09,910 --> 02:56:06,800
version

4445
02:56:14,950 --> 02:56:09,920
think it's called

4446
02:56:17,190 --> 02:56:14,960
lt xt and uh but it runs with hardware

4447
02:56:19,190 --> 02:56:17,200
and that's uh something else that uh we

4448
02:56:20,070 --> 02:56:19,200
are currently investigating but there

4449
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:20,080
you go

4450
02:56:23,990 --> 02:56:22,000
uh this is from kim name three shows

4451
02:56:24,389 --> 02:56:24,000
that stand out in your mind from the

4452
02:56:27,349 --> 02:56:24,399
past

4453
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:27,359
three years answer quickly without too

4454
02:56:31,510 --> 02:56:28,640
much thinking the three

4455
02:56:33,269 --> 02:56:31,520
fade to black shows that stand out over

4456
02:56:37,269 --> 02:56:33,279
the last three years

4457
02:56:44,469 --> 02:56:41,190
robert shock three years ago

4458
02:56:46,870 --> 02:56:44,479
uh when we talked about uh

4459
02:56:48,150 --> 02:56:46,880
him visiting the king's chamber and

4460
02:56:51,429 --> 02:56:48,160
sleeping

4461
02:56:53,269 --> 02:56:51,439
in the sarcophagus that show always

4462
02:56:54,550 --> 02:56:53,279
comes back let's see in the last three

4463
02:57:02,230 --> 02:56:54,560
years

4464
02:57:05,349 --> 02:57:02,240
oh [\h__\h] man so many great shows

4465
02:57:07,429 --> 02:57:05,359
um hmm

4466
02:57:08,550 --> 02:57:07,439
the linda moulton howe thanksgiving show

4467
02:57:11,110 --> 02:57:08,560
from three years ago

4468
02:57:11,990 --> 02:57:11,120
that was pretty intense that was pretty

4469
02:57:16,950 --> 02:57:12,000
strong

4470
02:57:19,429 --> 02:57:16,960
let's see from the last three years

4471
02:57:20,550 --> 02:57:19,439
so many great shows that first chris

4472
02:57:23,750 --> 02:57:20,560
bled show

4473
02:57:27,269 --> 02:57:23,760
show was strong oh oh

4474
02:57:28,710 --> 02:57:27,279
calvin parker there you go that was a

4475
02:57:32,070 --> 02:57:28,720
strong show

4476
02:57:35,349 --> 02:57:32,080
show has been good but that

4477
02:57:38,389 --> 02:57:35,359
calvin parker show yeah that was uh

4478
02:57:41,429 --> 02:57:38,399
that was pretty amazing and uh

4479
02:57:42,790 --> 02:57:41,439
we did a travis walton show uh two or

4480
02:57:46,550 --> 02:57:42,800
three years ago

4481
02:57:49,670 --> 02:57:46,560
where we talked about anything except

4482
02:57:51,429 --> 02:57:49,680
the the abduction and snowflake

4483
02:57:53,510 --> 02:57:51,439
that show was pretty incredible too as

4484
02:57:56,710 --> 02:57:53,520
well okay

4485
02:57:57,110 --> 02:57:56,720
uh what is your favorite combo guitar

4486
02:57:59,190 --> 02:57:57,120
amp

4487
02:58:00,469 --> 02:57:59,200
to record with combo there's only one

4488
02:58:04,550 --> 02:58:00,479
fender twin

4489
02:58:08,389 --> 02:58:04,560
blackface is the way to go

4490
02:58:11,910 --> 02:58:08,399
everything on 10. uh let's see

4491
02:58:14,309 --> 02:58:11,920
oh dodie karen mcintyre says dodie the

4492
02:58:15,990 --> 02:58:14,319
calling show

4493
02:58:17,590 --> 02:58:16,000
that was pretty good is that arrested

4494
02:58:20,950 --> 02:58:17,600
development cory

4495
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:20,960
is that the mom uh what was

4496
02:58:29,429 --> 02:58:28,150
just starts with the now uh you have an

4497
02:58:32,469 --> 02:58:29,439
iphone jimmy

4498
02:58:36,150 --> 02:58:32,479
do you have a mac i use

4499
02:58:37,590 --> 02:58:36,160
facetime yeah i i don't use facetime

4500
02:58:41,590 --> 02:58:37,600
but of course i have an iphone it's

4501
02:58:46,230 --> 02:58:44,870
two of them actually uh have you seen

4502
02:58:49,670 --> 02:58:46,240
the second season of

4503
02:58:50,950 --> 02:58:49,680
hellyer on amazon and do you plan on

4504
02:58:53,590 --> 02:58:50,960
having them on again

4505
02:58:54,950 --> 02:58:53,600
that is funny you say that i just they

4506
02:58:58,630 --> 02:58:54,960
will be on

4507
02:59:01,910 --> 02:58:58,640
uh with us uh the new kirk's

4508
02:59:03,670 --> 02:59:01,920
halloween week so stay tuned for that

4509
02:59:05,429 --> 02:59:03,680
yeah the second season of hellier is

4510
02:59:08,550 --> 02:59:05,439
excellent i've covered that

4511
02:59:10,469 --> 02:59:08,560
uh many times uh on the show kim just

4512
02:59:13,190 --> 02:59:10,479
said that calvin parker is the one

4513
02:59:14,070 --> 02:59:13,200
is the only one that i've missed you've

4514
02:59:16,950 --> 02:59:14,080
got to go back

4515
02:59:18,710 --> 02:59:16,960
and check that out that cal calvin

4516
02:59:21,269 --> 02:59:18,720
parker is the man

4517
02:59:21,910 --> 02:59:21,279
uh that was a a really good show all

4518
02:59:24,950 --> 02:59:21,920
right let's

4519
02:59:28,630 --> 02:59:24,960
see what else what how why

4520
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:28,640
i don't get that uh let's see

4521
02:59:32,870 --> 02:59:32,000
one last quick question what is your

4522
02:59:35,990 --> 02:59:32,880
favorite

4523
02:59:39,190 --> 02:59:36,000
gemstone oh that was a question i don't

4524
02:59:43,269 --> 02:59:39,200
know if i have a favorite gemstone

4525
02:59:44,070 --> 02:59:43,279
no i i i i don't even know where to go

4526
02:59:47,110 --> 02:59:44,080
with that

4527
02:59:49,910 --> 02:59:47,120
um as far as crystals go

4528
02:59:51,670 --> 02:59:49,920
just plain clear quartz to me is still

4529
02:59:53,510 --> 02:59:51,680
the most fascinating thing

4530
02:59:55,030 --> 02:59:53,520
uh which i have a lot of i still have

4531
02:59:58,150 --> 02:59:55,040
all the skulls here

4532
03:00:02,790 --> 02:59:58,160
in the studio robert schroeder episode

4533
03:00:06,950 --> 03:00:02,800
33 yeah but that was eight years ago

4534
03:00:10,790 --> 03:00:06,960
the question was in the last three years

4535
03:00:13,830 --> 03:00:10,800
all right there you go fun way to end

4536
03:00:15,750 --> 03:00:13,840
show number 1300 with a quick ama from

4537
03:00:19,590 --> 03:00:15,760
all of you thank you so much

4538
03:00:21,670 --> 03:00:19,600
very very great show tonight with uh

4539
03:00:23,429 --> 03:00:21,680
seth breedlove and again small town

4540
03:00:26,630 --> 03:00:23,439
monsters and the new film

4541
03:00:27,510 --> 03:00:26,640
the mothman legacy comes out october

4542
03:00:30,190 --> 03:00:27,520
20th

4543
03:00:32,150 --> 03:00:30,200
all you got to do is go and visit

4544
03:00:34,070 --> 03:00:32,160
smalltownmonsters.com

4545
03:00:36,469 --> 03:00:34,080
all right steve gray just says can you

4546
03:00:38,510 --> 03:00:36,479
go over the details of your night vision

4547
03:00:40,309 --> 03:00:38,520
binoculars if you go to

4548
03:00:42,309 --> 03:00:40,319
jimmychurchradio.com steve

4549
03:00:43,590 --> 03:00:42,319
click on the banner right there for

4550
03:00:45,429 --> 03:00:43,600
hoffman's optics

4551
03:00:46,630 --> 03:00:45,439
everything that you need will answer

4552
03:00:48,230 --> 03:00:46,640
your questions

4553
03:00:50,550 --> 03:00:48,240
call back thursday night we can talk

4554
03:00:53,590 --> 03:00:50,560
about it all right

4555
03:00:55,349 --> 03:00:53,600
what a great show perfect night here on

4556
03:00:57,830 --> 03:00:55,359
fade to black bay to black's executive

4557
03:01:00,070 --> 03:00:57,840
producer is rita comerian shows produced

4558
03:01:01,910 --> 03:01:00,080
by hill j palmer renee dennis and kevin

4559
03:01:03,990 --> 03:01:01,920
announcers are steve harder gene patel

4560
03:01:04,630 --> 03:01:04,000
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4561
03:01:08,550 --> 03:01:04,640
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4562
03:01:10,630 --> 03:01:08,560
aldrich intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

4563
03:01:12,230 --> 03:01:10,640
paid to black is produced by kjcr for

4564
03:01:13,750 --> 03:01:12,240
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4565
03:01:15,670 --> 03:01:13,760
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4566
03:01:17,750 --> 03:01:15,680
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4567
03:01:19,429 --> 03:01:17,760
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4568
03:01:21,269 --> 03:01:19,439
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4569
03:01:22,870 --> 03:01:21,279
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4570
03:01:23,910 --> 03:01:22,880
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4571
03:01:25,590 --> 03:01:23,920
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4572
03:01:27,110 --> 03:01:25,600
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4573
03:01:28,630 --> 03:01:27,120
black of the game changing network i'm

4574
03:01:31,910 --> 03:01:28,640
your host jimmy church

4575
03:01:34,710 --> 03:01:31,920
it's taco tuesday that's right until